Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:48:04 -0400 Errors-To: gregt@Visix.COM Reply-To: tool-list@Visix.COM Originator: tool-list@visix.com Sender: tool-list@Visix.COM Precedence: bulk From: tool-list@Visix.COM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: TOOL-LIST digest 373 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Tool discussion TOOL-LIST Digest 373 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: religion by Tim 2) Re: religion by kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) 3) dachshunds/west coast TOOL shows by Scot Dunlap 4) Re: religion by Tim 5) Re: religion by kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) 6) Re: religion by Scott J Stoddard 7) test message by Greg Thompson 8) Re: Vote Results!! by "Vincent Gatto Jr." 9) Re: religion by Remo Williams 10) Re: test message by kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) 11) Re: religion by kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) 12) Big Bang... by Evan.Brown@esbbs.esnet.com (Evan Brown) 13) Re: Big Bang... by Michael Shurpik 14) How to play 4 degrees by "Bartek Kuzia" 15) Re: Big Bang... by Gestalt 16) RE: Big Bang... by Tim 17) Re: How to play 4 degrees by "Pete Meincke" 18) Re: Big Bang... by "Pete Meincke" 19) Re: How to play 4 degrees by "Vincent Gatto Jr." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 10:08:17 PDT From: Tim To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: religion Message-ID: Anyone care to expound on this theory to someone who is not a member of the old guard? (at the risk of it being faq-fodder) -Pete ----------End of Original Message---------- Maynard was a dachsund from another dimension and the picture inside the album of Adam humping the dummy was really Adam preparing a body for Maynard to come into. The stuff he drinks on stage is snapple to everyone who drinks and isn't aware. If someone else drinks it and knows what it really is, they will be wisked away into the other dimension where dogs rule. This theory got pounded when it was introduced to the list, but I thought it was pretty funny and actually it took a lot of thought to come up with. Obviously I'm not doing it justice by describing it in two sentances. The original post was a couple pages long... - Tim ------------------------------ Topic No. 2 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:15:25 -0400 From: kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: religion Message-ID: >>All Hail Dave's old dachsund theory(personally I still believe it!) >> >>- Tim > >Anyone care to expound on this theory to someone who is not a member of the old >guard? (at the risk of it being faq-fodder) > -Pete no, it will never be part of the faq. the list went wacky with daschund = maynard theories this april. that sucked. _________kabir akhtar_________________________________________________________ | | Vice President, Kabir Fan Club | accidents won't happen if | Secretary, Intuitons Experimental Theater | you never leave your home | | ......................... | http://pobox.com/~kabir/ | ..................--prick | is: "Lick Me / Click Me" _|___________________________|______________________________________________ __ ------------------------------ Topic No. 3 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 12:35:00 PDT From: Scot Dunlap To: tool-list Subject: dachshunds/west coast TOOL shows Message-ID: <300C0D1D@OSPADMIN.OSP.STATE.NC.US> Maynard was a dachsund from another dimension and the picture inside the album of Adam humping the dummy was really Adam preparing a body for Maynard to come into. The stuff he drinks on stage is snapple to everyone who drinks and isn't aware. If someone else drinks it and knows what it really is, they will be wisked away into the other dimension where dogs rule. This theory got pounded when it was introduced to the list, but I thought it was pretty funny and actually it took a lot of thought to come up with. Obviously I'm not doing it justice by describing it in two sentances. The original post was a couple pages long... - Tim ----------------------------------------- tim, if dave was here, he'd school these young kids about the power of dachshunds and the metaphysical relationship between tool, human beliefs, and canine rituals. but kabir is right, the dachshund theories were "wacky" as all get out (southern term!). anyway, i was online with pollstar lastnite, and i noticed they don't even have a file for tool. we were planning on going out to L.A. in early august to visit some friends; i'm planning on staying out there for 3 wks if i have the $, i didn't know if anybody knew if any shows were scheduled on the west coast for tool or any other cool bands that anybody knew that i should definately go see. i figured even tho they're not touring, they may still play out some. (?????) of course maybe not. but, any input on any cool upcoming shows in august in Calif, Oregon, or Washingtion (Seattle area) would be cool. -scot ______________________________.. sdunlap@ospadmin.osp.state.nc.us ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Topic No. 4 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 10:55:57 PDT From: Tim To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: religion Message-ID: ---------------Original Message--------------- >>All Hail Dave's old dachsund theory(personally I still believe it!) >> >>- Tim > >Anyone care to expound on this theory to someone who is not a member of the old >guard? (at the risk of it being faq-fodder) > -Pete >no, it will never be part of the faq. the list went wacky with daschund = >maynard theories this april. that sucked. Kabir my friend, you are much too uptight! Many people enjoyed that little tidbit that Dave provided. It was very amusing. Anyone who would believe that Maynard is truly a dachsund probably would need psych help and if you are afraid of talking about this because people may believe it I kinda think that you need to take a pill. I'm not flaming, it's just that Dave received a bunch of crap about that and he was just having a good time. Kinda reminds me of my neighbors at my house. They don't like to see younger people have a good time because we double their income and have much more then they've ever had and they're jealous. CHILL!!!! ENJOY LIFE!!! - Tim ------------------------------ Topic No. 5 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:00:35 -0400 From: kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: religion Message-ID: >Kabir my friend, you are much too uptight! Many people enjoyed that little >tidbit that Dave provided. It was very amusing. Anyone who would believe >that Maynard is truly a dachsund probably would need psych help and if you >are afraid of talking about this because people may believe it I kinda think >that you need to take a pill. I'm not flaming, it's just that Dave received >a bunch of crap about that and he was just having a good time. Kinda reminds >me of my neighbors at my house. They don't like to see younger people have a >good time because we double their income and have much more then they've ever >had and they're jealous. CHILL!!!! ENJOY LIFE!!! hell yes :) remember wilson phillips? ok, remember fat wilson? ok, she's getting her own daytime sucky talk show... me and 6 pals are going to see it today :) hehe this will be funny but i just got sick of the daschund thing after a while - bad memories of ppl unsub'ing and all. see yall tomorrow. _________kabir akhtar_________________________________________________________ | | Vice President, Kabir Fan Club | accidents won't happen if | Secretary, Intuitons Experimental Theater | you never leave your home | | ......................... | http://pobox.com/~kabir/ | ..................--prick | is: "Lick Me / Click Me" _|___________________________|______________________________________________ __ ------------------------------ Topic No. 6 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 10:15:22 MST From: Scott J Stoddard To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: religion Message-ID: <9507181015.aa03797@idi.insight.com> > > Well, yeah, maybe something set the big bang in motion, but the way I > figure it, it doesn't matter who or what that was...anything that existed > before the big bang is irrelevant because it doesn't affect our universe. > You might as well not think about it. > It's like a computer wondering what was in its RAM the last time it was > turned on. It can't possibly ever know. > The same thing goes for who built it. The computer doesn't care whether > it was built by a person or a dog. > So God could be a dog...we'd never know. SUPRISE! I am not a computer... and I DO care... :-) --Scott ------------------------------ Topic No. 7 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:03:34 -0400 From: Greg Thompson To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: test message Message-ID: <9507181903.AA18857@fairlane.visix.com> ignore this... ------------------------------ Topic No. 8 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:18:09 -0400 From: "Vincent Gatto Jr." To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: Vote Results!! Message-ID: In honor of 4 degrees being voted this list's favorite song, I think it is about time somebody figured out how to play it. Last I checked it wasn't among the guitar tabs. Here's what I think: The intro is played with a 12-string or something that sounds strange... I have no idea but this sounds resonable on the guitar. Figure out the timing on your own. v v ^ v ^ v v E-|---------------------| B-|-6-6-6-6-6-6/(7)\6-6-| G-|-5-5-5-5-5-5/(6)\6-5-| D-|-3-3-3-3-3-3/(4)\4-3-| A-|---------------------| E-|---------------------| Play that four times and then play this twice, the second time omitting the last couple of strums: v v ^ v v v v ^ v v ^ v ^ v E-|-----------------------------------------| B-|-6/10-10-10-10\8-8/13-13-8-8-8-6-6-6-6-6-| G-|-5/9---9--9--9\7-7/12-12-7-7-7-5-5-5-5-5-| D-|-3/7---7--7--7\5-5/10-10-5-5-5-3-3-3-3-3-| A-|-----------------------------------------| E-|-----------------------------------------| The intro is also used in the during the verses. The rest I can fake, but it doesn't sound right at all. Let's see where we can go from here! Comments, additions, corrections are welcome. Vince. ------------------------------ Topic No. 9 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 21:45:55 EDT From: Remo Williams To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: religion Message-ID: The daschund crap blew out most of the original members who thought the list disintegrated into a high-school beer blast. The list used to be self-policed, then it had a self-purgation, and I believe it is now self-policed again, mostly through apathy. Arsenio lurks, which I believe is counter-intuitive for him. Leah was fed up with the maturity level. We all know how happy Shane was when he left. I'm a nasty fuck, created by self-hate and insecurity. Therefore, I have this need to act out every once in awhile against perceived injustice. Consequently, I'm a stubborn, nasty fuck. So I never left... but for awhile, it was close. I'm still looking for a list processor for Windows NT, which will result in the Tool List being spun-off for the benefit of the old guard. On the subject of Tool... I find it very ironic that for a group of musicians that seem to rebel against organized religion, they ascribe to an organized philosophy with a pretty narrow scope. Carrots, anyone? -Remo ------------------------------ Topic No. 10 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:33:52 -0400 From: kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: test message Message-ID: At 3:05 PM 7/18/95, Greg Thompson wrote: >ignore this... what if we don't? :) ------------------------------ Topic No. 11 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:33:58 -0400 From: kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: religion Message-ID: >Arsenio lurks, which I believe is counter-intuitive for him. Leah >was fed up with the maturity level. We all know how happy Shane was >when he left. but he can still cook a nice discography :) >I'm a nasty fuck, created by self-hate and insecurity. Therefore, but some of us still like you :) _________kabir akhtar_________________________________________________________ | | Vice President, Kabir Fan Club | accidents won't happen if | Secretary, Intuitons Experimental Theater | you never leave your home | | ......................... | http://pobox.com/~kabir/ | ..................--prick | is: "Lick Me / Click Me" _|___________________________|______________________________________________ __ ------------------------------ Topic No. 12 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 00:35:52 PDT From: Evan.Brown@esbbs.esnet.com (Evan Brown) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Big Bang... Message-ID: <1995Jul19.003552.22077@cg57.esnet.com> Just a thought, but have any of you given thought to the possibility that there was no beginning? I am personally a proponent of the infinity theory, I don't think time will end, and by the same reckoning, I don't see why there needs to have been a beginning. I just think this is one of the things that the human mind (including mine) can't fathom yet.... -- Evan Brown, user of the UniBoard System @ cg57.esnet.com E-Mail: Evan.Brown@esbbs.cg57.esnet.com E & S Systems Public Access System * Located in San Diego, CA Data: (619) 278-3905/8124/8267/9837/9127 ------------------------------ Topic No. 13 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 05:09:47 -0400 From: Michael Shurpik To: tool-list@visix.com Cc: Evan.Brown@esbbs.esnet.com (Evan Brown) Subject: Re: Big Bang... Message-ID: <199507190909.FAA03340@maastricht.lcs.mit.edu> > I am personally a proponent of the infinity theory I have a very open mind towards that, too, Evan. It's Hawking's idea that space-time may have no edge. That's why you might have heard people say that if you get to the edge of the universe, you'll wrap around...that's the distorted folklore version of Hawking's idea. It's based on some math that involves imaginary time...lots of people think that imaginary numbers are bullshit but they're not any less real than negative numbers or fractions - all are just ways of representing concepts. Anyway, the point is that the math works and the math has been right before...who would have guessed a hundred years ago that you got shorter when you moved faster? and yes, it is something that science may never figure out. If that's the case, I'll personally go on not knowing the answer instead of believing one of the non-scientific (i.e. religious) answers. Mike ------------------------------ Topic No. 14 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 14:24:43 METDST From: "Bartek Kuzia" To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: How to play 4 degrees Message-ID: <1DC7D20F4C@gwrbis.gazeta.pl> > The rest I can fake, but it doesn't sound right at all. > Let's see where we can go from here! > > Comments, additions, corrections are welcome. Well, maybe you should try to tune the E string down to E. Isn't that the way Adam plays? (Sober, Intolerance, Part of me - I am sure these are played on retuned guitar). |Bartek Kuzia |bartekk@gazeta.pl | |5 hits of LSD does NOT make you insane |and my imaginary friend Bob here agrees with me. ------------------------------ Topic No. 15 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 07:03:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Gestalt To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: Big Bang... Message-ID: > Just a thought, but have any of you given thought to the possibility that > there was no beginning? I am personally a proponent of the infinity theory, > I don't think time will end, and by the same reckoning, I don't see why > there needs to have been a beginning. I just think this is one of the > things that the human mind (including mine) can't fathom yet.... Oh, definately. IMO. I consider time a dimension. I can't imagine height, length, or weight ending... so neither can I imagine time ending. ------------------------------ Topic No. 16 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 07:07:56 PDT From: Tim To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: RE: Big Bang... Message-ID: >Just a thought, but have any of you given thought to the possibility that >there was no beginning? I am personally a proponent of the infinity theory, >I don't think time will end, and by the same reckoning, I don't see why >there needs to have been a beginning. I just think this is one of the >things that the human mind (including mine) can't fathom yet.... If space can go on forever, why can't time???? - Tim This has been a private service announcement. ------------------------------ Topic No. 17 Date: 19 Jul 1995 09:23:59 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: How to play 4 degrees Message-ID: <9507191326.AA14040@unet.net.com> Reply to: RE>How to play 4 degrees >> Comments, additions, corrections are welcome. >Well, maybe you should try to tune the E string down to E. Isn't >that the way Adam plays? (Sober, Intolerance, Part of me - I am >sure these are played on retuned guitar). I think you mean tune the E string down a step to D. That will put it in sync with all the other tablature available. |Bartek Kuzia |bartekk@gazeta.pl | |5 hits of LSD does NOT make you insane |and my imaginary friend Bob here agrees with me. ------------------------------ Topic No. 18 Date: 19 Jul 1995 09:52:51 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: Big Bang... Message-ID: <9507191350.AA14391@unet.net.com> Reply to: RE>>Big Bang... >Oh, definately. IMO. I consider time a dimension. I can't imagine height, >length, or weight ending... so neither can I imagine time ending. What exactly what you mean by height, length or weight not ending. Do you mean you believe something can be infinitely tall, long or heavy? Sounds a bit odd, but if you can possibly shed some light... ------------------------------ Topic No. 19 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 10:35:14 -0400 From: "Vincent Gatto Jr." To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: How to play 4 degrees Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Pete Meincke wrote: > Reply to: RE>How to play 4 degrees > >> Comments, additions, corrections are welcome. > >Well, maybe you should try to tune the E string down to E. Isn't > >that the way Adam plays? (Sober, Intolerance, Part of me - I am > >sure these are played on retuned guitar). > > I think you mean tune the E string down a step to D. That will put it in sync > with all the other tablature available. > This is probably true... but, at least for the intro, it doesn't matter. I usually play in a standard tuning, so I'm not to familiar with what stuff sounds like when in dropped D. The guitar riff during the verses I can't seem to get, but I think it would probably help if the guitar were in dropped D and then tuned down a whole or half step. It sounds really thick to me... maybe it's the equipment, maybe it's me... who knows. I believe in my original posting I said the intro was used again during the versus, which it is not, it's used during the chorus. I hate both those words, mostly because I get them confused. Vince ------------------------------ End of TOOL-LIST Digest 373 ***************************