Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:49:04 -0400 Errors-To: gregt@Visix.COM Reply-To: tool-list@Visix.COM Originator: tool-list@visix.com Sender: tool-list@Visix.COM Precedence: bulk From: tool-list@Visix.COM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: TOOL-LIST digest 374 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Tool discussion TOOL-LIST Digest 374 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: How to play 4 degrees by "Bartek Kuzia" 2) Re: How to play 4 degrees by "Bartek Kuzia" 3) Re: How to play 4 degrees by "Pete Meincke" 4) Re: How to play 4 degrees by Scot Dunlap 5) Re: Big Bang... by Gestalt 6) Re: Big Bang... by Michael Shurpik 7) Where's the Maynard? by "PearsoCE" 8) Re: Big Bang... by Joseph.Breen@cazr.dwe.csiro.au (Joseph Breen) 9) Four Degrees Tab by john.gates@bbs.logicnet.com (John Gates) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 19:18:05 METDST From: "Bartek Kuzia" To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: How to play 4 degrees Message-ID: <22AC0A6214@gwrbis.gazeta.pl> > > I think you mean tune the E string down a step to D. That will put it in sync > > with all the other tablature available. Sure, I meant E. > > > > This is probably true... but, at least for the intro, it doesn't matter. I > usually play in a standard tuning, so I'm not to familiar with what stuff > sounds like when in dropped D. The guitar riff during the verses I can't > seem to get, but I think it would probably help if the guitar were in > dropped D and then tuned down a whole or half step. It sounds really > thick to me... maybe it's the equipment, maybe it's me... who knows. OK, but when the intro comes back and turns into a powerful chorus it HAS to be played in this D tuning (detuning? :), using chords like: E H (5) - optional G 4 D 2 A 2 D 2 sliding all over the fretboard. Those D power chords are very thick and a lot of bands in the grunge/metal world uses them: Biohazard, Rage Against the Machine, Soundgarden, Tool, Machinehead (not sure), Downset, Alice In Chains (sometimes), Helmet (especially Helmet, this one should go first)... > > I believe in my original posting I said the intro was used again during > the versus, which it is not, it's used during the chorus. I hate both > those words, mostly because I get them confused. Hey, you know, the chorus is usually the catchier part. :) If it's not, that may mean the song's fucked up. |Bartek Kuzia |bartekk@gazeta.pl | |5 hits of LSD does NOT make you insane |and my imaginary friend Bob here agrees with me. ------------------------------ Topic No. 2 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 19:46:16 METDST From: "Bartek Kuzia" To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: How to play 4 degrees Message-ID: <2324802F1F@gwrbis.gazeta.pl> > From: "Bartek Kuzia" > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > > I think you mean tune the E string down a step to D. That will put it in sync > > > with all the other tablature available. > Sure, I meant E. Fuck, I think this is not my day. The letter is D. Hi, I'm Bartek, I'm an asshole... |Bartek Kuzia |bartekk@gazeta.pl | |5 hits of LSD does NOT make you insane |and my imaginary friend Bob here agrees with me. ------------------------------ Topic No. 3 Date: 19 Jul 1995 14:11:42 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: How to play 4 degrees Message-ID: <9507191817.AA19511@unet.net.com> Reply to: RE>>How to play 4 degrees >> >> > > I think you mean tune the E string down a step to D. That will put it in sync >> > > with all the other tablature available. >> Sure, I meant E. >Fuck, I think this is not my day. The letter is D. Hi, I'm Bartek, >I'm an asshole... > Hi, Bartek! I'm Pete, and I'm an asshole, too! We're all assholes here at Assholes Anonymous! ------------------------------ Topic No. 4 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 17:52:00 PDT From: Scot Dunlap To: tool-list Subject: Re: How to play 4 degrees Message-ID: <300DA8EA@OSPADMIN.OSP.STATE.NC.US> >Hi, Bartek! I'm Pete, and I'm an asshole, too! We're all assholes here >at Assholes Anonymous! -_--_--_--_************************************ ....damn assholes........(sigh)..... ------------------------------ Topic No. 5 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:33:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Gestalt To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: Big Bang... Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Pete Meincke wrote: > What exactly what you mean by height, length or weight not ending. Do you mean > you believe something can be infinitely tall, long or heavy? Sounds a bit odd, > but if you can possibly shed some light... No, I just meant that I cannot imagine, for instance, height no longer existing. ------------------------------ Topic No. 6 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 19:06:27 -0400 From: Michael Shurpik To: tool-list@visix.com Cc: Gestalt Subject: Re: Big Bang... Message-ID: <199507192306.TAA05749@maastricht.lcs.mit.edu> the best layman's description I ever heard for time being a dimension was in, I think, HG Welles' Time Machine. One of the characters said, "An object cannot exist without height, width and depth, right? Well, similarly an object cannot exist without a duration." ------------------------------ Topic No. 7 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 16:19:10 EST From: "PearsoCE" To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Where's the Maynard? Message-ID: <9506198062.AA806206222@ccip.perkin-elmer.com> If you look at the dog tag in the liner of Opiate, it says: Keenan James B (I think that's a B) Assuming the tag is authentic, and the military hasn't changed it's policies on what gets listed on them, it looks like we've been subjected to yet another hoax only paralled by lachrymology. Unless, of course, he changed his name because Maynard James Keenan sounds much cooler than Jimmy B Keenan..... Craig. A Mime Isn't Such A Terrible Thing To Waste. ------------------------------ Topic No. 8 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:22:23 +0930 From: Joseph.Breen@cazr.dwe.csiro.au (Joseph Breen) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: Big Bang... Message-ID: <199507200152.LAA20574@alice.cazr.dwe.csiro.au> >> Just a thought, but have any of you given thought to the possibility that >> there was no beginning? I am personally a proponent of the infinity theory, >> I don't think time will end, and by the same reckoning, I don't see why >> there needs to have been a beginning. I just think this is one of the >> things that the human mind (including mine) can't fathom yet.... > >Oh, definately. IMO. I consider time a dimension. I can't imagine height, >length, or weight ending... so neither can I imagine time ending. > The big bang theory is about the start of the universe as it is now There was something there before then, including time, which is infinite Well at least thats what i reckon Joe ------------------------------ Topic No. 9 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:42:11 From: john.gates@bbs.logicnet.com (John Gates) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Four Degrees Tab Message-ID: <122010.950719.224211@bbs.logicnet.com> Since people have been asking about this song lately, I whipped off a tab for it. Should be okay, let me know if you find any grave errors. 4 Degrees by TOOL from the album Undertow Transcribed by Darryl Gates (john.gates@bbs.logicnet.com) Special Notes: Ive tried to transcribe everything as well as I can hear it, but Adams doing a lot of very subtle things with his picking technique, as well as using the palm of his picking hand to control very delicately the ringing (or muting) of notes. This should be a good starting point for most of the fingering, but Id recommend listening very closely to the way he plays it to get the groove of the verses. Also, some of the patterns that repeat dont repeat exactly, but I didnt feel like typing the same thing many times because he plays one or two notes different, so again, listen to the album to hear exactly whats going on. Drop D Tuning b = bend p = pull-off h = hammer-on / = slide up \ = slide down ~ = pick harmonic () = note that is more implied than played outright 3x |----------------------------------------------| |----5----5--5--5----5----5--5--5--6-\-5--5----| |*---4----4--4--4----4----4--4--4--5-\-4--4---*| |*---0h2--2--2--2----2----2--2--2--3-\-2--2---*| |----------------------------------------------| |----------------------------------------------| |-----------------------------------------------| |----5----5--5--5----5----5--5--5--6-\-5--5-/---| |----4----4--4--4----4----4--4--4--5-\-4--4-/---| |----0h2--2--2--2----2----2--2--2--3-\-2--2-/---| |-----------------------------------------------| |-----------------------------------------------| |---------------------------------------------------------------| |---10---10-10--8--8-/--13--8--8----8--8-\-6----6---6--6--6-/---| |---9----9--9---7--7-/--12--7--7----7--7-\-5----5---5--5--5-/---| |---7----7--7---5--5-/--10--5--5----5--5-\-3----3---3--3--3-/---| |---------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------------------------------------------| |-------------------------------------------------| |---10---10-10--8--8-/--13--8--8----8--8-\-6--6---| |---9----9--9---7--7-/--12--7--7----7--7-\-5--5---| |---7----7--7---5--5-/--10--5--5----5--5-\-3--3---| |-------------------------------------------------| |-------------------------------------------------| 2x |---------------------------------|--------------------------| |---------------------------------|--------------------------| |*--------------------------------|-------------------------*| |*--------------------------------|-------------------------*| |---0h2--2---0h2--2---2--3-3-3-2--|--0h2--2---0h2--2-----3---| |---0h2--2-x-0h2--2-x-2--3-3-3-2--|--0h2--2-x-0h2--2--x--3---| 2x |---------------------------------|--------------------------------| |---------------------------------|--------------------------------| |---------------------------------|*------------------------------*| |---------------------------------|*------------------------------*| |---0h2---------------------------|--------------------------------| |---0h2--2--0--2-x-2--0--3-3-2(0)-|--0h2--2-0-2--x-2--0--3-3-2(0)--| |------------------------------| |------------------------------| |------------------------------| |------------------------------| |------------------------------| |--0h2--2-0-2--x--2--/--10-----| 2x |----------------------------------|----------------------------| |----------------------------------|----------------------------| |*---------------------------------|---------------------------*| |*---------------------------------|---------------------------*| |--(0h2)------(2)------------------|-(0h2)------(2)---------3---| |---0h2--2--0--2--x-2--0--3-3-2(0)-|--0h2--2--0--2--x-2--0--3---| 3x |----------------------------------|---------------------------------| |----------------------------------|---------------------------------| |*--------------------------------*|---------------------------------| |*--------------------------------*|---------------------------------| |----------------------------------|---------------------------------| |---0h2--2--0-2--x-2--0--3-3-2(0)--|--0h2--2--0-2---0h2p0-3p2-0h2----| |----ph.----| 4x |-----------------------------| |-------5---------------------| |*------4--------------------*| |*--0h2---2------------------*| |---0h2---2-------------------| |---0h2---2---0h2p0-3p2-0h2---| |----ph.----| 3x |---------------------------------------------------------| |---10---10-10-----8-/-13-----8---8--8-----6---6---6--6---| |*--9----9--9------7-/-12-----7---7--7-----5---5---5--5--*| |*--7----7--7------5-/-10-----5---5--5-----3---3---3--3--*| |---7----7--7--0---5-/-10--0--5---5--5--0--3---3---3--3---| |---7----7--7--0---5-/-10--0--5---5--5--0--3---3---3--3---| 3x |-------------------------------|-----------------------| |-------5-----5--5--6-\-5-5-5---|------5-------5--5--6--| |*------4-----4--4--5-\-4-4-4--*|------4-------4--4--5--| |*--0h2-2-2-2-2--2--3-\-2-2-2--*|--0h2-2-2-2---2--2--3--| |---0h2---2-2-------------2-2---|--0h2---2-2---2--2--3--| |---0h2---2-2-------------2-2---|--0h2---2-2---2--2--3--| 3x |----------------------------------|---------------------------------| |----------------------------------|---------------------------------| |*--------------------------------*|---------------------------------| |*--------------------------------*|---------------------------------| |----------------------------------|---------------------------------| |---0h2--2--0-2--x-2--0--3-3-2(0)--|--0h2--2--0-2---0h2p0-3p2-0h2----| |----ph.----| 4x |-----------------------------| |-------5---------------------| |*------4--------------------*| |*--0h2---2------------------*| |---0h2---2-------------------| |---0h2---2---0h2p0-3p2-0h2---| |----ph.----| 3x |---------------------------------------------------------| |---10---10-10-----8-/-13-----8---8--8-----6---6---6--6---| |*--9----9--9------7-/-12-----7---7--7-----5---5---5--5--*| |*--7----7--7------5-/-10-----5---5--5-----3---3---3--3--*| |---7----7--7--0---5-/-10--0--5---5--5--0--3---3---3--3---| |---7----7--7--0---5-/-10--0--5---5--5--0--3---3---3--3---| |--------------------------------------------------------------------| |-15----15--15--15--11--11--11--11-----------------------------------| |-14----14--14--14--10--10--10--10--12--12--12--12--10--10--10----10-| |-12----12--12--12--8---8---8---8---12--12--12--12--10--10--10----10-| |-12----12--12--12--8---8---8---8---10--10--10--10--8---8---8---7/8--| |-12----12--12--12--8---8---8---8------------------------------------| |-----------------------------------------------------| |------15----15--15---11--11--11--11------------------| |------14----14--14---10--10--10--10--12--12--12------| |-10-/-12----12--12---8---8---8---8---12--12--12------| |-10-/-12----12--12---8---8---8---8---10--10--10--8---| |-10-/-12----12--12---8---8---8---8-------------------| 2x |----------------------------------|---------------------------| |----------------------------------|---------------------------| |*---------------------------------|--------------------------*| |*--0h2---2---2-2------------------|--0h2---2----2---------3--*| |---0h2---2---2-2---x-x-x--3-3-2-2-|--0h2---2--x-2---x-x-x-3---| |---0h2---2---2-2---x-x-x--3-3-2-2-|--0h2---2--x-2---x-x-x-3---| 4x |-------------------------------| |-------5-----5--5--6-\-5-5-5---| |*------4-----4--4--5-\-4-4-4--*| |*--0h2-2-2-2-2--2--3-\-2-2-2--*| |---0h2---2-2-------------2-2---| |---0h2---2-2-------------2-2---| 3x |---------------------------------------------------------| |---10---10-10-----8-/-13-----8---8--8-----6---6---6--6---| |*--9----9--9------7-/-12-----7---7--7-----5---5---5--5--*| |*--7----7--7------5-/-10-----5---5--5-----3---3---3--3--*| |---7----7--7--0---5-/-10--0--5---5--5--0--3---3---3--3---| |---7----7--7--0---5-/-10--0--5---5--5--0--3---3---3--3---| 3x |---------------------------------------|----------------| |---------------------------------------|----------------| |*-------------------------------------*|----------------| |*--2-----------/--9---12---10---10p0--*|---7---------7--| |---2-----------/--9---12---10---10p0---|---7---------7--| |---2-----------/--9---12---10---10p0---|---7---------7--| |--------------------------|-----------------------------| |--------------------------|-----------------------------| |--------------------------|-----------------------------| |--2-2---2---2-2-----------|--2-2---2---2-2-----------3--| |--2-2---2---2-2-----------|--2-2---2---2-2-----------3--| |--2-2---2---2-2-----------|--2-2---2---2-2-----------3--| 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|----------------------------------------| |----------------------------------------| |*--------------------------------------*| |*--------------------------------------*| |----------------------------------------| |---0h2--x--2--x-x-2--x-2--0--3-3-2-0----| 6x |---------------------------------------------------------| |---10---10-10-----8-/-13-----8---8--8-----6---6---6--6---| |*--9----9--9------7-/-12-----7---7--7-----5---5---5--5--*| |*--7----7--7------5-/-10-----5---5--5-----3---3---3--3--*| |---7----7--7--0---5-/-10--0--5---5--5--0--3---3---3--3---| |---7----7--7--0---5-/-10--0--5---5--5--0--3---3---3--3---| (Drums & Bass, no Guitar for a few bars) |---------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------------------------------------------| |------------------2--------------------------------------------| |------------------2--------------------------------------------| 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