Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 20:55:39 -0400 Errors-To: gregt@Visix.COM Reply-To: tool-list@Visix.COM Originator: tool-list@visix.com Sender: tool-list@Visix.COM Precedence: bulk From: tool-list@Visix.COM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: TOOL-LIST digest 382 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Tool discussion TOOL-LIST Digest 382 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) .. Wanna Be Motherfucker (was Tounge Piercing) by JayVie 2) New Albums by 9405653m@lux.levels.unisa.edu.au (9405653m) 3) Re: TOOL-LIST digest 379 by "Nathan K. Tichy" 4) Re: TOOL-LIST digest 381 by 9405653m@lux.levels.unisa.edu.au (9405653m) 5) Re: New Albums by Matt Toomey 6) Re: TOOL-LIST digest 380 by aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us 7) Re: New Albums by Michael Shurpik 8) Re: Quotes / Tongue Piercing by matts@mpx.com.au (Matt Steadman) 9) Re: New Albums by kapilla@ne.com.au (Kapilla) 10) Re: Quotes / Tongue Piercing by Michael Shurpik 11) Re: silverchair? by pbooras@jax.jaxnet.com (Peter Booras) 12) opiate by Frances Grizzard 13) sleep late on fridays... by Scot Dunlap 14) Re: New Albums and Trends by "Pete Meincke" 15) Re: New Albums by kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) 16) Anyone up for a Census? by "Pete Meincke" 17) Re: Anyone up for a Census? by Michael Shurpik 18) Re: sleep late on fridays... by aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us 19) Re: sleep late on fridays... by Michael Shurpik 20) Re: The Cure by "Lynn E. Cross" 21) Re: The Cure by Michael Shurpik 22) Judge Dredd by "Pete Meincke" 23) Re: Judge Dredd by Michael Shurpik 24) Re: Judge Dredd by Walsh James J <3jjw1@qlink.queensu.ca> 25) Re: sleep late on fridays... by Scot Dunlap 26) Re: The Cure by Scot Dunlap 27) Re: The Cure by Scot Dunlap 28) Opiate by "Pete Meincke" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 03:09:29 +0200 () From: JayVie To: Tool list Subject: .. Wanna Be Motherfucker (was Tounge Piercing) Message-ID: hi all, >CHarris wrote: >>Petoskey wrote: >>Also, I >>would like to know what was the original slogan on the back of the "no >>chiefs, all indians" because there is a picture of Jesus in the Tool logo >>on the front and it just does not fit the slogan on the back. >> >..umm isn't it all indians, no chiefs...*I* think it means that everyone is >an equal and there should be no "leaders" as such. The jesus thing on the >front probably highlites that in the best way. (jesus being a leader of the >masses etc.) Yes it's all indians, no chiefs. A few months ago T. Rogers wrote: >Actually, I have a very rare version of that shirt that has across the >very bottom, the line. . . "Jesus Christ Wanna-be Motherfuckers" The guy >who originally came up with the design put it on the bottom, sort of for >a joke, and presented it to the band. They liked the Inverse Jesus Idea, >but got rid of the "JCWM". Maybe the 'all indians, no chiefs' was a >cynical replacement for the first one. I've got a white longsleeve Tool t-shirt myself. It's got the line "White trash wanna be motherfucker" on the left sleeve. Does anybody have any thoughts on what this stands for. Jay. ------------------------------ Topic No. 2 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 11:38:10 +0930 (GMT+0930) From: 9405653m@lux.levels.unisa.edu.au (9405653m) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: New Albums Message-ID: <9507280208.AA24495@lux.levels.unisa.edu.au> Fellow Tools, As far as new albums geting better goes, havent heard good follow up album in ages, EXCEPT for the legendary TOOL. While Opiate wasnt exactly an album, the tracks on Undertow (most of them) have just that little bit more depth and thought than Opiate. Not that Opiate doesnt kick serious booty. They are still 1 & 2 on my all time favourite list. But TOOL aside other bands just seem to be running out of ideas, Tales from the Punchbowl by Primus was fuckn ordinary after track 3 (whatthehellis Spacefarm???) even though their preceeding stuff was good. The same goes for other bands: FNM, Soundgarden, NIN etc... The new stuff isnt necessarily BAD, it just the same as the old stuff and sometimes becomes tiresome. But focusing on the important band; TOOL. They havent put a step wrong ever!! The Frizzle Fry] -Paul ------------------------------ Topic No. 3 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 11:37:36 +0930 From: "Nathan K. Tichy" To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: TOOL-LIST digest 379 Message-ID: <199507280207.AA12174@basil.cs.flinders.edu.au> How did you find out about Jenny???? (my email friend):) ,,, (0 0) +-------oOO----(_)----------------+ | I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs | | and insanity for everyone, but | | they've always worked for me | +--------------------oOO----------+ |__|__| || || ooO Ooo Nathan Tichy tichy@ist.flinders.edu.au ------------------------------ Topic No. 4 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:07:17 +0930 (GMT+0930) From: 9405653m@lux.levels.unisa.edu.au (9405653m) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: TOOL-LIST digest 381 Message-ID: <9507280237.AA00933@lux.levels.unisa.edu.au> > > On Thu, 27 Jul 1995 Nikodemus1@aol.com wrote: > > > just an observation in response to the recent talk about the "all indians, no > > chiefs" tool shirt. (which by the way will be my senior quote.) i noticed > > that even other bands love tool. in the new "tomorrow" video by Silverchair > > the lead singer is wearing that shirt. cool! anyways, i like that quote and > > the shirt and i'm gonna have to find one somewhere or something. by the way, > > if there is an official tool video tape, where is it? i want one! thanks > > for lendin' a kind ear............ > > > > I can't remember if I mentioned this before, but I saw Kim Thayil roaming > the streets of Seattle with a Tool T on. The black one with the wrench. I cant remember what video it was but Kim Thayil was also wearing his TOOL shirtin one of the clips from a Superunknown single. The Frizzle Fry -Paul ------------------------------ Topic No. 5 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 20:05:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Toomey To: tool-list@visix.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New Albums Message-ID: Just because a band changes their style a little, doesn't mean that their new stuff sucks. The new FNM album is absolutly incredible. Its not like Angel Dust or The Real Thing - it is unlike anything I've ever heard. Mike Patton is a lyrical genius. Songs like "The Gentle Art of Making Enemies" and "Just a Man" are some of the best stuff I've ever heard. Sorry this had nothing to do with Tool, but I couldn't let the shit about FNM go by. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Matthew Ian Toomey ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Man was born to love- ^ Though often he has sought ^ Like Icarus, to fly too high. ^ And far too lonely than he ought ^ To kiss the sun of east and west ^ And hold the world at his behest- ^ To hold the terrible power ^ To whom only gods are blessed- ^ But me, I am just a MAN." ^ ^ -M. Patton ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Topic No. 6 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 23:18:18 -0400 From: aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: TOOL-LIST digest 380 Message-ID: <199507280318.XAA10017@hostserver.merit.edu> What Digest? ------------------------------ Topic No. 7 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 02:56:55 -0400 From: Michael Shurpik To: tool-list@visix.com Cc: 9405653m@lux.levels.unisa.edu.au (9405653m) Subject: Re: New Albums Message-ID: <199507280656.CAA17302@utrecht.lcs.mit.edu> Kabir/Paul: I agree that bands you could count on don't put out good albums anymore... but there are a couple of newer groups that are improving. I think Tool is one of them, and that they made a *drastic* leap from Opiate to Undertow. I think that Undertow is musically a much better album than Opiate in the same way that Ride The Lightning compared to Kill 'Em All and Nevermind compared to Bleach (Nirvana could have gotten better, too, if they hadn't gotten pissed off) I mean, I like Opiate because I like Tool, not the other way around. (I know that not everyone on this list agrees.) Ian: I was the most recent person to flame FNM, but not because they have changed their style. I *loved* the diversification I saw in Angel Dust. But not one friend of mine (including all manner of FNM lovers) has bought the new album... ..similarly, I had to buy the new Queensryche album for myself 'cause no-one had it, and I *almost* bought Porno for Pyros even though everyone was like "no, it sucks!" and I found out later why nobody had Queensryche or PfP...they weren't good. So I'm going to trust my friends on this one, although I agree that Patton does some great lyrical things, and you've made me curious. :) Mike ps Kabir, when you said > i mean, i didn't like prison sex forever. did you mean that you haven't always liked it and had to grow into it? The sentence is confusing. I started off liking prison sex and not liking tracks 4-9...for about a day! ;) ------------------------------ Topic No. 8 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 17:59 EST From: matts@mpx.com.au (Matt Steadman) To: tool-list@visix.com Cc: mshurpik@utrecht.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: Quotes / Tongue Piercing Message-ID: >> For fear of turning this into a FNM list, I have to give my opinions. I love >> FNM - I personally prefer The Real Thing, but each to their own. But I >> bought this, and was SHOCKED. Was this the FNM I had come to love? NOOOOOOO, >> it wasn't. It was an album full of ballads, poorly written songs, and bad >> artwork. There were a couple of songs I liked - but most of it was crap. I >> sold it on for AUS$10, and I personally think I ripped the other guy off. > >I love FNM, too - I think they're as interesting as Tool, and as talented (they >don't have the same brooding image, tho) - but I heard one release off this >most recent album and was like, "I *might* buy this." > >Very few of my "favorite" bands are producing good albums anymore...I hope >Tool's next one doesn't disappoint - I'm kinda counting on it to kick ass. I >think the next one can be incredible despite how great Undertow was the same >way >Angel Dust compares to The Real Thing (sorry, I like AD better). > The Real Thing had a lot of variety on it, but was distinctively Faith No >More. Angel Dust, however, had songs in every style...western, pop, death >metal, and *still* kicked ass. > I'm hoping that we see Tool diversify in the same way...I'm not saying >that they should write western, but that I hope they continue to broaden >themselves musically. Yeah... I'm in two minds here. I think most of us would like to see Tool explore some new areas, but there's always the chance that they go too far, like I think FNM did. Plus, I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing now! I often think about where they could be heading musically, and how at times riff based music can be so limiting. But then again, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! BTW, I don't know where all the other new people have come from, but I've been lurking down here in Aus for a few weeks, and decided that the discussions were too good not to be a part of! Professor Nutbutter alias Matt Steadman matts@mpx.com.au ------------------------------ Topic No. 9 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 19:02:24 +1000 From: kapilla@ne.com.au (Kapilla) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New Albums Message-ID: <199507281907.TAA32310@redback.ne.com.au> Hi, >I agree that bands you could count on don't put out good albums anymore... >but there are a couple of newer groups that are improving. I think Tool is >one of them I think that Stone Temple Pilots came out with one of the best follow up album that i have ever heard (apart from TooL) , it wasn't a complete change but just enough so that you don't tire of it. P.S I am new on the list so if there is anyway that i can improve my posting please tell me:-) TOP CAT ------------------------------ Topic No. 10 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 06:04:10 -0400 From: Michael Shurpik To: tool-list@visix.com Cc: matts@mpx.com.au (Matt Steadman) Subject: Re: Quotes / Tongue Piercing Message-ID: <199507281004.GAA17693@utrecht.lcs.mit.edu> Yeah, it ain't broke...and I'm happy...but I'd sure like to be shitting in my pants over a new, better, and more diverse tool album. I think it will be, because of the musical growth they've already shown. Hey, how many aussies on this list? Seems like a lot. Also, how many people have their tongues pierced? That last thread brought in a *huge* volume of responses. Now I think you're all a bunch of punk freaks (which admittedly would be very cool!) Mike ------------------------------ Topic No. 11 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:49:11 -0400 From: pbooras@jax.jaxnet.com (Peter Booras) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: silverchair? Message-ID: <199507281449.KAA02085@jax.jaxnet.com> >I can't remember if I mentioned this before, but I saw Kim Thayil roaming >the streets of Seattle with a Tool T on. The black one with the wrench. He wears one in a Soundgarden video too. Can't remember which on though. ------------------------------ Topic No. 12 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:51:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Frances Grizzard To: multiple recipients of list Subject: opiate Message-ID: I sent a message about month ago saying that I had not heard Opiate yet. I borrowed it from a very nice person (for lending it to me )and recorded it. I was amazed. It is all I have been listening to for a week. I take a tape player with me everwhere so I can listen to it. Not that anybody cares, but I am no longer deprived!! cya frances ------------------------------ Topic No. 13 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 11:16:00 PDT From: Scot Dunlap To: tool-list Subject: sleep late on fridays... Message-ID: <301929BD@OSPADMIN.OSP.STATE.NC.US> >good question >but i shit you not .... i'm glad they're here =) >yawn. ------------------------------ are you tired kabir??? me too, stayed out tooo late last nite with (my girl); i saw judge dredd, the movie was ok, but it had a hint of darkness to it; they should have put TOOL on the damn soundtrak, instead we got the cure and white zombie. anyway, i'm glad to read new faces/out of the closet list members also; i thought either a lot of people had unsubscribed or went into hybernation for the summer. i was just suprised when i got back from my vacation and i had like 40 posts and didn't recognize but a few of them. anybody checkout the latest east coast surfer. killer waves for 2 days on the jersey shore i heard...all the way down to buxton. -scot ------------------------------ Topic No. 14 Date: 28 Jul 1995 11:22:09 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: New Albums and Trends Message-ID: <9507281519.AA19092@unet.net.com> Reply to: RE>>New Albums and Trends > >...I *almost* bought Porno for Pyros even though everyone was like >"no, it sucks!" > I think the reason everyone thinks PfP sucks is because they were expecting the same style of kick-ass music as Jane's Addiction and Perry just didn't have that in mind. If more people had heard Perry's pre-Jane's band PSICOM (sp?) it wouldn't have been quite a shock to hear him doing something different. As for bands putting out lame second albums, just remember that they usually have a boatload of songs to choose from for their first albums, so you hear their *best* (ITHO) stuff. The pickin's start to get slimmer after that. The bands that survive and prosper usually take what they've done on their first album and expand musically and lyrically (ie. tool, Alice In Chains, Nirvana) into something much better. The bands that can't grow die. (ie. most of the 80's cheese bands like Ratt, Motley Crud, etc.) Most bands sooner or later will start experimenting with different styles to keep things from getting stagnant. You can see this happening most recently with bands like Helmet, White Zombie and FNM. Sometimes it works and they gain more support, sometimes it doesn't and they alienate their fan base. Think back to some of your own "favorite" bands of the past and see where they fit in. Just some thoughts, -Pete ------------------------------ Topic No. 15 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:37:19 -0400 From: kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: New Albums Message-ID: >I mean, I like Opiate because I like Tool, not the other way around. >(I know that not everyone on this list agrees.) yes yes. that's how i found it, i don't listen to it that often... i like undertow esp since it's so dark sounding. productionwise, perhaps. >ps Kabir, when you said > >> i mean, i didn't like prison sex forever. > >did you mean that you haven't always liked it and had to grow into it? The >sentence is confusing. > >I started off liking prison sex and not liking tracks 4-9...for about a day! ;) see - the whole album bit me in chunks, not at once. 36789/69 all yanked me right in. and i mean the song prison sex, if any of you are waiting to jump on me. not jump on me ... look, you know what i mean :) _________kabir akhtar_________________________________________________________ | | Vice President, Kabir Fan Club | accidents won't happen if | Secretary, Intuitons Experimental Theater | you never leave your home | | ......................... | http://pobox.com/~kabir/ | ..................--prick | is: "Lick Me / Click Me" _|___________________________|______________________________________________ __ ------------------------------ Topic No. 16 Date: 28 Jul 1995 12:12:33 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Anyone up for a Census? Message-ID: <9507281613.AA20217@unet.net.com> Reply to: Anyone up for a Census? >Now I think you're all a bunch of punk freaks (which admittedly >would be very cool!) > Mike > I for one am not a "punk freak." No piercings, tattoos or prison records to speak of. (Used to be a long-hair, though!That close enough?) ;) Having recently de-lurked, I think it'd be interesting to find out *who* we really are. Has this been attempted/accomplished before? I'd be willing to compile the stats if everyone sends me a (brief) profile of themselves. But where should we start and what to include? Got the basics: Age:___ Sex: ___ State/Country:____ Favorite Band:___ (no, I mean besides tool) ;) Anything else you want to see included? Let me know if there's any interest in this otherwise I'll tank the idea and go about my business as usual. Send a yea or nay and suggestions for items to include to me at Pete_Meincke.dos1@mac.net.com ***I will respect your privacy and will NOT release any names or addresses and will delete them from my account when done*** I'll let you know next week if I get enough interest to make it worthwhile, and what the actual survey questions will be. (I don't check this account on weekends as it's a work account) -Pete ------------------------------ Topic No. 17 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:26:49 -0400 From: Michael Shurpik To: tool-list@visix.com Cc: "Pete Meincke" Subject: Re: Anyone up for a Census? Message-ID: <199507281626.MAA18514@utrecht.lcs.mit.edu> anyway, as you could tell from the post of mine that you quoted, I'd be interested in finding out who likes tool. 'cuz hell, all my friends think I'm a weirdo. ------------------------------ Topic No. 18 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:08:17 -0400 From: aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: sleep late on fridays... Message-ID: <199507281808.OAA09177@hostserver.merit.edu> I, too, saw Judge Dredd. A fairly cheesy movie, to be polite. But theres nothing wrong with the Cure being on the soundtrack. They happen to be one of my favorite groups. Any other Cure fans around here? Anyway, does anyone have the list of votes from the "favorite Tool song poll" thing? I seem to have lost mine somewhere and am curious to know the results. Kevin ------------------------------ Topic No. 19 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:22:44 -0400 From: Michael Shurpik To: tool-list@visix.com Cc: aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us Subject: Re: sleep late on fridays... Message-ID: <199507281822.OAA19093@utrecht.lcs.mit.edu> I thought the first track of the crow soundtrack was the coolest cure song I ever heard, but it was also the first... anyway, four degrees clearly won the poll (four degrees?) but flod and uddertoe also kicked ass. ------------------------------ Topic No. 20 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 15:17:32 EDT From: "Lynn E. Cross" To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: The Cure Message-ID: <199507281917.PAA26006@pen2.pen.k12.va.us> According to aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us: > > I, too, saw Judge Dredd. A fairly cheesy movie, to be polite. > But theres nothing wrong with the Cure being on the soundtrack. > They happen to be one of my favorite groups. Any other Cure fans > around here? > Anyway, does anyone have the list of votes from the > "favorite Tool song poll" thing? I seem to have lost mine > somewhere and am curious to know the results. > > Kevin > Yeah, I dig the Cure, but not as much as Tool. Their Pornography CD was really good, as is Decetigration. To: tool-list@visix.com Cc: "Lynn E. Cross" Subject: Re: The Cure Message-ID: <199507281930.PAA19263@utrecht.lcs.mit.edu> I go to school in boston, and sometimes companies paint up whole transit buses to advertise stuff. So I had been seeing this completely black bus around with some dumb face and JUDGE DREDD printed on the side in like, two-thousand point letters. And I thought, they painted up a whole bus and I still have no idea what this movie is, who is in it, what it's about, or if it's worth seeing. the answers seem to be: cheese, stallone, cheese, no. :) ------------------------------ Topic No. 22 Date: 28 Jul 1995 16:00:32 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: "Tool-List" Subject: Judge Dredd Message-ID: <9507281958.AA24695@unet.net.com> Judge Dredd 7/28/95 >cheese.stalone.cheese.no You shouldn't insult cheese like that!!! ------------------------------ Topic No. 23 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 16:03:44 -0400 From: Michael Shurpik To: tool-list@visix.com Cc: "Pete Meincke" Subject: Re: Judge Dredd Message-ID: <199507282003.QAA19413@utrecht.lcs.mit.edu> > You shouldn't insult cheese like that!!! okay, fake-cheese-in-an-aerosol-can, stallone, fake-cheese-in-an-aerosol-can, no. ------------------------------ Topic No. 24 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 16:09:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Walsh James J <3jjw1@qlink.queensu.ca> To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: Judge Dredd Message-ID: All right now, the movie may be cheese, or fake-cheese-in-an-aerosol-can, but the basic premise of Judge Dredd is still very good. Besides, it is based on a very cool comic book. James ------------------------------ Topic No. 25 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 16:28:00 PDT From: Scot Dunlap To: tool-list Subject: Re: sleep late on fridays... Message-ID: <301972BA@OSPADMIN.OSP.STATE.NC.US> oh i wasn't putting down the Cure, i'm a big cure fan also. i just thought TooL would have been nice on the soundtrak. scot ---------- From: tool-list To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sleep late on fridays... Date: Friday, July 28, 1995 2:10PM I, too, saw Judge Dredd. A fairly cheesy movie, to be polite. But theres nothing wrong with the Cure being on the soundtrack. They happen to be one of my favorite groups. Any other Cure fans around here? Anyway, does anyone have the list of votes from the "favorite Tool song poll" thing? I seem to have lost mine somewhere and am curious to know the results. Kevin ------------------------------ Topic No. 26 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 16:33:00 PDT From: Scot Dunlap To: tool-list Subject: Re: The Cure Message-ID: <30197429@OSPADMIN.OSP.STATE.NC.US> Yeah, I dig the Cure, but not as much as Tool. Their Pornography CD was really good, as is Decetigration. To: tool-list Subject: Re: The Cure Message-ID: <3019752A@OSPADMIN.OSP.STATE.NC.US> And I thought, they painted up a whole bus and I still have no idea what this movie is, who is in it, what it's about, or if it's worth seeing. the answers seem to be: cheese, stallone, cheese, no. :) ----------------------------------- i will agree (this is my last stupid post of the day have a nice weekend) unless you like technical/sci-fi stuff. there were some neat ideas, like the ABC robot, but i guess nothing that hasn't been created before. -scot ------------------------------ Topic No. 28 Date: 28 Jul 1995 17:18:20 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Opiate Message-ID: <9507282116.AA26087@unet.net.com> Subject: Time: 5:06 PM OFFICE MEMO Opiate Date: 7/28/95 A guy I knew in high school by the name of Jeff Richards moved out to LA to join the music scene, and ended up forming Dead, White and Blue (who were thanked in Opiate's liner notes) and was friends with the guys in tool. I found out through a friend of mine (who got me into tool BTW) that Jeff was at the show at the Jello Loft when Jerk-off and Cold and Ugly were recorded, and gave my friend the whole story on what happened with that whole airhorn/bob-marley-wanna-be thing on Opiate. My friend told me a long time ago (before I started listening to tool) and I've forgotten most of the details. I'll see if I can get them this weekend... -Pete ------------------------------ End of TOOL-LIST Digest 382 ***************************