TOOL-LIST Digest 404 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: radio play by "Pete Meincke" 2) Re: a few things (if I can remember them) (SORRY ABOUT THE LENGTH) by kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) 3) Re: Survey Results!!! by kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) 4) Re: Reply re: Re: i beg to differ... by Scott M Casey 5) Re: Survey Results: Part 2 by kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) 6) emotional blocks by brian wood 7) RE: this travesty of justice by nothing now 8) Re: rage talentless? by nivek.ogre@compudata.com (NIVEK OGRE) 9) Re: radio play by nivek.ogre@compudata.com (NIVEK OGRE) 10) Re: emotional blocks by Michael Shurpik 11) Re: where YOU are by Ryan Swift 12) Re: emotional blocks by jjbl 13) Re: Reply re: Re: i beg to differ... by aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us 14) Re: a few things (if I can remember them) (SORRY ABOUT THE LENGTH) by Alex Lyberopoulos 15) Re: emotional blocks by Adrian Tyvand 16) What was the last show? by Ryan Swift 17) Re: radio play by Justin D Wright <71664.2707@compuserve.com> 18) Re: emotional blocks by Justin D Wright <71664.2707@compuserve.com> 19) Re: radio play by jjbl 20) AHHHHHHHH by kapilla@ne.com.au (Kapilla) 21) pantera by kapilla@ne.com.au (Kapilla) 22) Re: pantera by static@prometheus.hol.gr (Tassos Nickogiannis) 23) Re: Survey Results!!! by "Pete Meincke" 24) Re: What was the last show? by "Sarah Groves" 25) Re: AHHHHHHHH by "Sarah Groves" 26) Re: pantera by "Pete Meincke" 27) Re: AHHHHHHHH by "Pete Meincke" 28) Re: this travesty of justice by aaron@emedia.net (Aaron Haspel) 29) Re: radio play by RollinsMan@aol.com 30) RE: First time/they just by nivek.ogre@compudata.com (NIVEK OGRE) 31) Re: Sam Goody??? by nivek.ogre@compudata.com (NIVEK OGRE) 32) Re: Reply re: Re: i beg t by nivek.ogre@compudata.com (NIVEK OGRE) 33) Re: where YOU are by nivek.ogre@compudata.com (NIVEK OGRE) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: 16 Aug 1995 18:44:09 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: tool-list@Visix.COM Subject: Re: radio play Message-ID: <9508162240.AA17067@unet.net.com> Reply to: RE>>radio play >>"pm" == Pete Meincke writes: > > pm> I hate radio. Kills music dead. > > you bet. even when they do play a song without editing it, they >compress the living shit out of it, so it sounds really flat... oh >yeah, and whfs just sucks no matter how you slice it. > > -greg > The other way it kills music dead is the fact that all radio stations (at least around here) play the same twenty or so songs over and over again. Some new songs I've heard I actually liked until I heard them about a bazillion times, ad nauseaum. Now I can't stand'em. Even the WHFStival sucked this year. They blow chunks... I usually just listen to cd's, except in the morning when I get my daily dose of juvenile antics by listening to Howard Stern. When (if) I listen to the radio it's usually 98 Rock, then whatever else is playing something listenable. -Pete ------------------------------ Topic No. 2 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 18:59:42 -0400 From: kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: a few things (if I can remember them) (SORRY ABOUT THE LENGTH) Message-ID: At 11:56 AM 8/16/95, ThirdAge1@aol.com wrote: >As for where I am- Falmouth, MA on Cape Cod. It's O.K. here. Some good local >shows at a club just over the bridge. It's really a bad burnt out old rock >club but once in a while has good local hardcore bands. Actually, it's so >bad, Slaughter played there last winter. It probably cant hold more than 100 >people. IT's called the Approach -any other people from MA been there? weird i was just away in cape cod i was in north falmouth i thought it was really nice and pretty, but it was just too damn quiet to want to actually live there :) _________kabir akhtar_________________________________________________________ | | Vice President, Kabir Fan Club | no bunny..it's not funny | Secretary, Intuitons Experimental Theater | don't believe everything | | you read................ | http://pobox.com/~kabir/ | ..............--pailhead | is: "Lick Me / Click Me" _|__________________________|_________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Topic No. 3 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 18:59:50 -0400 From: kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: Survey Results!!! Message-ID: are you going to save them somewhere? or is greg going to save them somewhere? -- yourpalkabir --------------------------------- no bunny - it's not funny don't believe everything you read -pailhead / "no bunny" ------------------------------ Topic No. 4 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 17:14:08 -0600 (MDT) From: Scott M Casey To: tool-list@Visix.COM Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Reply re: Re: i beg to differ... Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Aug 1995, Michael Shurpik spewed: >> I doubt he plays guitar or grums very well Hey Mike, care to share with us anyone that does play grums even fairly well? kidding, scott ------------------------------ Topic No. 5 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 19:16:35 -0400 From: kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: Survey Results: Part 2 Message-ID: >4. What is your occupation? (if student, what school?) >The "real world" jobs: > - Set Lighting Technician (Film Electrician) hey, who's that one? i might be headed into filmtypeschool, and i'm curious :) > - Conestoga High School there's a conestoga about 15 minutes from my house ... who's that? ------------------------------ Topic No. 6 Date: Wed Aug 16 16:33:24 1995 From: brian wood To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: emotional blocks Message-ID: <9508162333.AA01178@chop.isca.uiowa.edu> Hey all, I was reading something on another list, and it got me thinking. Tool has some of the most emotional songs out there in the world - this we all know. Well, you can't just say, "I'm gonna write a pissed off song today", right? These things take time. Here's my theory - the reason the new TOOL album is taking so long is that Maynard and the gang are happy. They can't fake unhappiness, and they certainly don't want to write a "happy" song, so they are waiting around until something bad happens for them to write about. This theory also goes for RAGE, who's about 3 years overdue for a new album. this theory works for NIN, too, but doesn't apply most of the time. Trent Reznor can keep coming up with pissed off angst-ridden lyrics and music because he is partially insane and mentally unbalanced; being pissed is not a problem for him, just as being paranoid is second nature for Jello Biafra, or being depressed is to Matthew Sweet. Don't get me wrong, a song not real deep with emotion would be great from Tool - a light hearted lyrical song would be cool as long as the music is the same. Maybe Tool should listen to ALL - and sing about food, chicks, cars, food, chicks, sleeping, food, etc... Change of subject: New Ministry album anytime soon? It was brought up that they spent their recording money on crack and acid, which makes perfect sense, but hopefully untrue. Maybe they're doing another LARD album?? I heard about possibly another PAILHEAD album, but Ian Mackaye is too caught up in Fugazi to fuck with it (which is where he should be, I guess. Fugazi rules!!). Any further thoughts on my ramblings about song material and happiness or lack thereof would be good readin' ! Later. ------------------------------ Topic No. 7 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 17:59:24 MDT From: nothing now To: tool-list@Visix.COM Subject: RE: this travesty of justice Message-ID: <00994F8A.7C1718E0.104@msu.oscs.montana.edu> >hey, >starting with nothing now: >>i am going to drive for twelvve hours to see a filter concert >>in the shittiest part of denver colorado. >i thought all of denver was shitty. :) 12 hours for a concert... hmm.... the colfax and broadway area, maybe i should have said the most dangerous >and why do your posts always end with nevermind? >back to nothing: >>there ain.t nothing but cowboys and sheep here...nevermind >hey you know the three biggest lies a cowboy tells? not sure i know that one, but i have figured out why they have thier names on their belt buckles....it is so they will know there names when they pull their heads out of their asses....nevermind nothing ------------------------------ Topic No. 8 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 16:07:00 -0400 From: nivek.ogre@compudata.com (NIVEK OGRE) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: rage talentless? Message-ID: <8AF43C7.01F4047B47.uuout@compudata.com> MS>Well, the short answer is yes, because that's how I discovered them. MS>Last summer, this pretty cool radio station called Q-104.3 in New MS>York was playing Intolerance and Prison Sex like, all the time (even MS>more than Sober). At the end of the summer (after I bought the MS>album) they started playing Bottom, and I was wondering if they were MS>going to step straight through the first nine album tracks (no, they MS>didn't). MS>but otherwise, nah, you don't hear them much. Sure, since grunge = MS>top 40 nowadays, there's a better chance, but it's still rare. It MS>always amazed me that shit bands like Rollins and Rage got more MS>airplay, but I guess it was for the better...might as well keep Tool MS>for the people that can understand them. MS> Mike MS>ps Rollins and Rage is pretty cool to listen to, but come on, you MS>have to admit that they're fairly talentless. Rage is talentless? I beg to differ! Tom Morello's unconventional solo's bring trouble to even the most talented guitarists. The band also involves all 4 of its members into the music, unlike most bands where the bassist is there because 'the band needs one.' His rythym provides as much to the song as any other part, and Tim's style is kind of like a bassist/rythym guitar in one. They may lack the depth of Tool, but I bet thier second album will turn heads as the bands matures as musicians. Allthough I'll agree that Rollins is rather talentless. He has a nice deep voice, but his band is pretty conventional. nivek.ogre@compudata.com --- CMPQwk #1.42 UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY ------------------------------ Topic No. 9 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 12:31:00 -0400 From: nivek.ogre@compudata.com (NIVEK OGRE) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: radio play Message-ID: <8AF42EF.01F4047B46.uuout@compudata.com> MS>but otherwise, nah, you don't hear them much. Sure, since grunge = MS>top 40 nowadays, there's a better chance, but it's still rare. It MS>always amazed me that shit bands like Rollins and Rage got more MS>airplay, but I guess it was for the better...might as well keep Tool MS>for the people that can understand them. MS> Mike MS>ps Rollins and Rage is pretty cool to listen to, but come on, you MS>have to admit that they're fairly talentless. I don't agree that rage is talentless. tom morello's (the guitarists) effects and playing are awesome. most good guitar players couldn't copy one of his solos if they tried. and his solo's aren't the stale, typical ones. they're creative and inventive. also, rage is cool because the bassist isn't just shoved in a corner 'because the band needs one.' the bassist shines through on every song (just like tool's bassist, which is a lot of why I like tool), and provides the rhythm. the only thing I don't like about rage is that there isn't much variety between songs on their cd. on their bootlegs and live concerts though, they're awesome for variety. oh well, my $.02... oh and I agree rollins isn't as talented as tool, but I wouldn't go saying he is talentless. just not as creative or inspiring as tool. nivek.ogre@compudata.comMS>@N FROM :mshurpik@utrecht.lcs.mit.edu (Reply-To: MS>@tool-list@visix.com)N UMSGID MS>:<199508152151.RAA10480@utrecht.lcs.mit.edu> N From MS>tool-list@visix.com Tue Aug 15 17:57:07 1995 Received: from MS>shelby.visix.com (shelby-102.visix.com [149.62.102.251]) by mailman.comp MS>Received: from udata.com (8 (shelby-101.visix.com [149.62.101.251]) MS>by shelby.visix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SM Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 MS>17:53:08 -0400 Message-Id: MS><199508152151.RAA10480@utrecht.lcs.mit.edu> Errors-To: MS>gregt@visix.com Reply-To: tool-list@visix.com MS>Originator: tool-list@visix.com MS>Sender: tool-list@visix.com MS>Precedence: bulk MS>From: Michael Shurpik MS>To: Multiple recipients of list MS>Subject: radio play MS>X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios MS>X-Kotsikonas Comment: Tool discussion MS>taz: MS>> do they get any radio airplay in the States, or elsewhere? MS>Well, the short answer is yes, because that's how I discovered them. MS>Last summer, this pretty cool radio station called Q-104.3 in New MS>York was playing Intolerance and Prison Sex like, all the time (even MS>more than Sober). At the end of the summer (after I bought the MS>album) they started playing Bottom, and I was wondering if they were MS>going to step straight through the first nine album tracks (no, they MS>didn't). --- CMPQwk #1.42 UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY ------------------------------ Topic No. 10 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 20:12:48 -0400 From: Michael Shurpik To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: emotional blocks Message-ID: <199508170012.UAA19075@utrecht.lcs.mit.edu> Brian...good theory - may be true. On the topic of new albums, what's up with Metallica? ------------------------------ Topic No. 11 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 17:42:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Swift To: tool-list@Visix.COM Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: where YOU are Message-ID: I'm from San Francisco as well. One little trivia note that I just have to share, cause I just found out the other day... I live on Jones/Post which just happens to be where the hooker that Hugh Grant picked up was last arrested. It just makes my heart sing to hear a local girl makes good. Too bad she had to go to LA to do it though... OBTool: Is there anybody here on the list that was still on the list when Tool came to The Warfield? Man that was a great show... Ryan rmswift@sfsu.edu ------------------------------ Topic No. 12 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 20:51:18 -0400 (EDT) From: jjbl To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: emotional blocks Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Aug 1995, Michael Shurpik wrote: > Brian...good theory - may be true. > On the topic of new albums, what's up with Metallica? They're doing the Molson's Ice Beach Party in Canada. What a bunch of corporate sellout whores. They're doing that concert with Whore I mean Hole and Filter.. Sickening what they've become. ----- You have just been verbally molested by: bozak@bridge.net Was it good for you? ----- ------------------------------ Topic No. 13 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 20:57:41 -0400 From: aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: Reply re: Re: i beg to differ... Message-ID: <199508170057.UAA29887@hostserver.merit.edu> Are you saying Rush doesn't write meaningful music? Sure, they are VERY talented musicians, but they also write incredible music and deep, moving lyrics. Kevin ------------------------------ Topic No. 14 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 11:35:29 +1000 (EST) From: Alex Lyberopoulos To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: a few things (if I can remember them) (SORRY ABOUT THE LENGTH) Message-ID: Wow another PE fun on the Tool list. I went through a rap stage years ago (in my youth :)) I don't listen to any of those bands anymore except Public Enemy and a little Ice Cube. I have "It takes a nation of millions to hold us back", "Fear of a Black Planet", and "Apocalypse 91. the Enemy strikes black". All great albums with the first two slughtly better IMHO. ------------------------------ Topic No. 15 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 19:44:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Adrian Tyvand To: tool-list@Visix.COM Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: emotional blocks Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Aug 1995, jjbl wrote: > They're doing the Molson's Ice Beach Party in Canada. What a bunch of > corporate sellout whores. > > They're doing that concert with Whore I mean Hole and Filter.. Veruca Salt is playing, not filter. RE:new ministry- The new Ministry album is titled "Filth pig" and is supposed to be out in October. Whether or not it will make it by then remains to be seen. Ryan Swift said: >Is there anyone here on the list that was still on the list when Tool >came to the Warfield? Yep. I was here. Wish I could`ve been there. Was that the last show they played? _A "Watching this hole, it used to be mine, just watching it burn in my steady systematic decline." NIN ------------------------------ Topic No. 16 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 21:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Swift To: tool list Subject: What was the last show? Message-ID: Ryan Swift said: >Is there anyone here on the list that was still on the list when Tool >came to the Warfield? Yep. I was here. Wish I could`ve been there. Was that the last show they played? ********************************************************************** Well, it was definately the last show they played in the bay area. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't the last show of the tour. I'm not sure of the exact date but I'll say sometime around December of 94 or maybe it was January of 95? Anyway I know it was back in the day when you could mention Lint on the list and not have people think of Laundry. Ryan rmswift@sfsu.edu can you find the two inside jokes? ------------------------------ Topic No. 17 Date: 17 Aug 95 00:35:54 EDT From: Justin D Wright <71664.2707@compuserve.com> To: Tool-list Subject: Re: radio play Message-ID: <950817043553_71664.2707_EHJ129-1@CompuServe.COM> Henry Rollins may not be able to sing (scream and yell, yes) but he does kick total ass. He can really rage when he stage dives. By the way, He is very good at screaming and yelling. -Justin Wright ------------------------------ Topic No. 18 Date: 17 Aug 95 00:37:55 EDT From: Justin D Wright <71664.2707@compuserve.com> To: Tool-list Subject: Re: emotional blocks Message-ID: <950817043754_71664.2707_EHJ129-2@CompuServe.COM> Metallica? I heard a they're shootin gfor a new album this spring, despite the fact that they're still semi-touring. -Justin Wright "honesty is no excuse"- J. Hetfield ------------------------------ Topic No. 19 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 01:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: jjbl To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: radio play Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, Justin D Wright wrote: > Henry Rollins may not be able to sing (scream and yell, yes) but he does kick > total ass. He can really rage when he stage dives. > > By the way, He is very good at screaming and yelling. > > -Justin Wright Mike Patton vs. Henry Rollins in a screaming contest would be interesting. ----- You have just been verbally molested by: bozak@bridge.net Was it good for you? ----- ------------------------------ Topic No. 20 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 18:50:49 +1000 From: kapilla@ne.com.au (Kapilla) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: AHHHHHHHH Message-ID: <199508170849.SAA17499@redback.ne.com.au> Did anyone else out there cop yesterdays mail twice (once yesterday and once again today) because i am pissed off about, i had to go through downloading 87 posts before i could read anything (don't you hate that). P.S I hope someone answers me for once :-( Top Cat ------------------------------ Topic No. 21 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 19:01:14 +1000 From: kapilla@ne.com.au (Kapilla) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: pantera Message-ID: <199508170900.TAA17600@redback.ne.com.au> > but your Pantera attitude has got to >change! Come on, you can't be serious, i could probably learn a pantera song on guitar in about 5 minutes, all they do is play about 3 different power chords. As for the lead singer, all he does is try and sound scary by swearing alot in a deep voice. P.S Sorry if you don't agree but in my opinion they SUCK big time and I'm quite sure that i'm not the only one that thinks this (someone please back me up) Later Top Cat ------------------------------ Topic No. 22 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 14:45:18 +0200 From: static@prometheus.hol.gr (Tassos Nickogiannis) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: pantera Message-ID: <199508171245.OAA24962@prometheus.hol.gr> On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, top cat wrote: >> but your Pantera attitude has got to >>change! > > Come on, you can't be serious, i could probably learn a pantera >song on guitar in about 5 minutes, all they do is play about 3 different power >chords. As for the lead singer, all he does is try and sound scary by >swearing alot >in a deep voice. > >P.S Sorry if you don't agree but in my opinion they SUCK big time >and I'm quite sure that i'm not the only one that thinks this >(someone please back me up) Listen, i totally agree with you in every single word that you wrote, and here i am, i'm backing you up, but i'm afraid this will get the list into tons of mail regarding such a useless band... Anyway, now i did it. Later . . . T a z ------------------------------ Topic No. 23 Date: 17 Aug 1995 09:45:18 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: tool-list@Visix.COM Subject: Re: Survey Results!!! Message-ID: <9508171344.AA07179@unet.net.com> Reply to: RE>>Survey Results!!! >are you going to save them somewhere? >or is greg going to save them somewhere? > >yourpalkabir Hadn't discussed that with anybody... Do you want the results put on the tool hompage or archived on the server? Sounds good to me. I don't think I would be of much help saving them on my system, because I'd have to send it out in small parts or as an enclosure (don't know if everyone would be able to read it). I've got them saved in my mail program, but if anybody really wants to archive them I would be more than happy to provide them. Maybe we could make it a regular thing every couple of months or so. If there's enough interest, of course... -Pete ------------------------------ Topic No. 24 Date: 17 Aug 1995 08:25:14 -0800 From: "Sarah Groves" To: tool-list@Visix.COM Subject: Re: What was the last show? Message-ID: >I'm not sure of the exact date but I'll say sometime around >December of 94 or maybe it was January of 95? Last show I saw was in Santa Cruz, I guess it must have been January too. >Anyway I know it was back in the day when you could >mention Lint on the list and not have people think of >Laundry. Since when is OPIV thought of as Laundry?? blech Sarah The sky is purple in my world ------------------------------ Topic No. 25 Date: 17 Aug 1995 08:29:57 -0800 From: "Sarah Groves" To: tool-list@Visix.COM Subject: Re: AHHHHHHHH Message-ID: Not here. Sarah The sky is purple in my world -------------------------------------- Date: 8/17/95 2:31 AM To: Sarah Groves From: tool-list@Visix.COM Did anyone else out there cop yesterdays mail twice (once yesterday and once again today) because i am pissed off about, i had to go through downloading 87 posts before i could read anything (don't you hate that). P.S I hope someone answers me for once :-( Top Cat ------------------------------ Topic No. 26 Date: 17 Aug 1995 11:59:07 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: tool-list@Visix.COM Subject: Re: pantera Message-ID: <9508171554.AA09649@unet.net.com> Reply to: RE>pantera > Come on, you can't be serious, i could probably learn a pantera >song on guitar in about 5 minutes, all they do is play about 3 different power >chords. As for the lead singer, all he does is try and sound scary by >swearing alot in a deep voice. > C'mon, now. They're music is a *little* more complex than that. (they have 5 power chords) ;) I've tried playing some of their stuff, and it's not that easy. Granted I'm no guitar virtuoso by any stretch, but some of their rhythms can be tough. Besides, I've had more luck playing TooL by ear than I have Pantera. Some songs may be easy to figure out, but some are darn near impossible. For *both* bands. As for the singer, his style fits in perfectly with the aggressive nature of their music. Sure, they're no TooL, :) but they have they're own merits. I'll listen to them occasionally to get psyched up for soccer. I play goalie for a couple of indoor teams and need something to get me in the violent, body tossing frame of mind it takes to play that (hellish) position. I'll listen to that, Helmet, Sepultura, or something else along those lines, and then listen to Undertow to bring me back down after I play. But I digress. To me, Pantera's music works on a totally different emotional level than TooL. TooL is more based in angst and anguish, whereas Pantera are, well, to use one of their song titles, more the "Fucking Hostile" type. I happen to enjoy both, and plunk down my hard earned cash to buy them, which makes the record executives on both sides happy. :) This is not meant as a personal slam, Top Cat (or Taz, for backing him up). It's just getting a little old watching everyone play the "your band sucks, my band rules!" game all the time (most recently with Silverchair). We should be glad everyone has different tastes. It allows the creative process to work better. I should be posting the "fav. non-tool band" results this afternoon. I got 97 different band names! Would have been more, but I only took the first three if people sent more than that. Anyway, these are my HO's, of course, and if you disagree with them, I will kill you. ;) Just kidding. I will be glad to engage in a repartee. -Pete ------------------------------ Topic No. 27 Date: 17 Aug 1995 12:04:10 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: tool-list@Visix.COM Subject: Re: AHHHHHHHH Message-ID: <9508171600.AA09725@unet.net.com> Reply to: RE>AHHHHHHHH >Did anyone else out there cop yesterdays mail twice > >P.S I hope someone answers me for once :-( > > Top Cat I received a couple of them twice, but not all of them... -Pete ------------------------------ Topic No. 28 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:27:12 -0400 From: aaron@emedia.net (Aaron Haspel) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: this travesty of justice Message-ID: Todd writes: > >Boy, two blanket statements in a row! (one edited out for your convenience). > I haven't heard enough of the Osmonds to say if tool is *objectively* >better. What makes music objectively better than other music? Is it how >complicated it is? If so, why do people like punk more than prog? Is it how >"efficient" the music is? > >>We understand very little about the way music works on the >>emotions > >We? You mean humans? Have you had any music theory classes? My guitar >teacher has told me many things about how music affects humans and he >certainly seemed to know a lot more that he wasn't telling me. How much is >very little? Blanket statements are my specialty. By "very little" I mean a lot less than we know about, say, painting, the plastic arts and literature, all of which work on the emotions through a representation of reality, whereas music works on them directly. > >>If music were entirely subjective, what would be the point of >>discussing it? > >If music were entirely *ob*jective, what would be the point of discussing it? > All it would be is, "Beethoven fits in slot one. end of discussion. The >Beatles fit in slot 254." Why does subjectivity make discussion of something >boring? Not so fast. That the truth is attainable--that Beethoven may actually have a "slot"--does not imply that it's easy to attain. There is good music and bad, good literature and bad, good cosmological theories and bad. This fact stimulates, rather than stifles, discussion of these matters. On the other hand, if every theory, every work of literature, every piece of music were just as good as any other, then there would be no point to discussion at all. We would have only "I like what I like," "I believe what I believe," and there the matter would end. Subjectivity renders discussion not only boring, but pointless. Jennerlee writes, in the same vein: > i'm not saying that theories cannot > be expounded about music, but they're personal theories, surely, aren't > they? Doubtless everyone's theories are influenced by their environment. Had Kepler, say, not been brought up in a certain way and exposed to certain influences, he would never have developed his theory of elliptical orbits. Nevertheless, the planets *do* orbit the sun elliptically. Theories are true or false irrespective of who propounds them or what influences them to do so. Aaron Haspel phone: 212-633-0707 LawServ, Inc. fax : 212-633-1055 10 West 19th Street email: aaron@emedia.net NYC 10011 Web : http://www.emedia.net/lawserv/ ------------------------------ Topic No. 29 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:43:41 -0400 From: RollinsMan@aol.com To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: radio play Message-ID: <950817123230_76960655@mail04.mail.aol.com> >Speaking of Rage music on the radio. Killing in the name of is the >most common song to be heard on the radio around here(SF bay). >and the bleeps at the end are always interesting. BUT apparently >Live 105 doesn't care anymore because I've heard it twice in the >past week with no editing, and Lisa CArr said so eloquently at the >end "SO THERE!!" >Sarah >The sky is purple in my world -------------------------------------- >owhen their songs come on the radio. - - - - - When Killing in the name comes on the radio out here, the station just cuts out the last part entirely, which kinda sucks. CMcG ------------------------------ Topic No. 30 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 12:12:00 -0400 From: nivek.ogre@compudata.com (NIVEK OGRE) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: RE: First time/they just Message-ID: <8AF52DC.01F4047E95.uuout@compudata.com> T> I must admit, Jerkoff is definately my favorite Tool song. My T>band used to play that and Prison Sex. I played guitar. The crowd T>went wild. cool... my band played the scooby doo theme song once and the crowd (all 4 people) went wild. everything else we play sucks. we're only like twoweeks old though, and i've been playing bass for less, and i'm the bass guitarist =) nivek.ogre@compudata.com --- CMPQwk #1.42 UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY ------------------------------ Topic No. 31 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 12:15:00 -0400 From: nivek.ogre@compudata.com (NIVEK OGRE) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: Sam Goody??? Message-ID: <8AF52DF.01F4047E96.uuout@compudata.com> T> I have one thing to say.... SAM GOODY????? From what I've T>seen those people don't know there ass from a hole in the ground. T>You'd probably get more information from people working at T>WalMart!!!!! hahaha... in this shithole called south jersey, sam goody is the place. unless you feel like going into philly. in which case, theres tower records, and 25,000,000 used disc stores. south jersey has the most stale music scene. nivek.ogre@compudata.com --- CMPQwk #1.42 UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY ------------------------------ Topic No. 32 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 12:41:00 -0400 From: nivek.ogre@compudata.com (NIVEK OGRE) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: Reply re: Re: i beg t Message-ID: <8AF52F9.01F4047E99.uuout@compudata.com> MS>Yes. A big reason why most of us like tool is because they speak to MS>us emotionally. Other people - people that listen to techno, or MS>whatever - obviously don't look to music for the same emotional MS>reasons we do. techno is a very inspiring music. a lot of songs just make you want to get up and move. no emotional deals (well, hey isn't the desire to move an emotion?) .. well, at least thats why i listen to techno sometimes . nivek.ogre@compudata.com --- CMPQwk #1.42 UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY ------------------------------ Topic No. 33 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 12:32:00 -0400 From: nivek.ogre@compudata.com (NIVEK OGRE) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: where YOU are Message-ID: <8AF52F0.01F4047E98.uuout@compudata.com> SG>Nivek, SG>I don't want to contradict you, but the word from the Rage list is SG>that the album is due out in early December. The reason for this was SG>a break-up of the band earlier this year. They are back together now SG>and the album is being produced by the guy who did Pearl Jam/Neil SG>Young. Apparently 20+ tracks have already been done. well, thats good to contradict me. i got my info from sam goody, which has allready been ruled as an unreliable source =) anyhow, though .. how do you get onto the rage list? that would be great to be on .. =) nivek.ogre@compudata.com --- CMPQwk #1.42 UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY ------------------------------ End of TOOL-LIST Digest 404 ***************************