TOOL-LIST Digest 410 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) what genre is tool? by Toolophile@aol.com 2) Re: Survey Results: Part 2 by RiotGrrl@eworld.com 3) Re: i beg to differ by RiotGrrl@eworld.com 4) Re: what genre is tool? by Alex Lyberopoulos 5) Re:nine by static@prometheus.hol.gr (Tassos Nickogiannis) 6) Re: What a joke by Walsh James J <3jjw1@qlink.queensu.ca> 7) Survey by Steve Goyette 8) Re: What a joke by dsheen@Direct.CA (David Sheen) 9) Re: Survey Results: Part 2 by "Pete Meincke" 10) Re: nine by "Pete Meincke" 11) Re: What a joke by "Pete Meincke" 12) Re: What a joke by RiotGrrl@eworld.com 13) Re:nine by "Gayla J. Sterzinger" 14) Re: what genre is tool? by Matt Toomey 15) Re: i beg to differ by Remo Williams 16) Re: What a joke by Remo Williams 17) re: sponging by UXDX70B@prodigy.com (MR CHAD CHRISTENSEN-WOODS) 18) Re: nine by static@prometheus.hol.gr (Tassos Nickogiannis) 19) Re: What a joke by "Gayla J. Sterzinger" 20) Re:feeling music by rhoutsch@postoffice.ptd.net (robert houtsch) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic No. 1 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 02:57:21 -0400 From: Toolophile@aol.com To: tool-list@porsche.visix.com Subject: what genre is tool? Message-ID: <950821025719_79413174@emout04.mail.aol.com> Hi gang, jenny said: >so! music gurus, how do you describe TOOL to non-TOOL-types >so they don't mentally assume you also listen to Poison? Tough call. I really don't think Tool fits into a category. So, whenever anyone asks, I tell them jazz. No, seriously, I steal a quote from maynard and say it's hard rock with vulnerability. or heavy rock. anything so they realize it's not really heavy metal. closer to zep than poison. bye, todd ------------------------------ Topic No. 2 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 00:20:45 -0700 From: RiotGrrl@eworld.com To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: Survey Results: Part 2 Message-ID: <950821002043_13689790@eWorld.com> kabir@sas.upenn.edu (Your pal Kabir) writes: >>4. What is your occupation? (if student, what school?) >>The "real world" jobs: >> - Set Lighting Technician (Film Electrician) >hey, who's that one? i might be headed into filmtypeschool, and >i'm curious :) That's me! A job description? I pick up very heavy things and schlep them, get yelled at, climb set walls, and fall off ladders ;). Hey, it beats workin' Rachel ------------------------------ Topic No. 3 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 00:20:38 -0700 From: RiotGrrl@eworld.com To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: i beg to differ Message-ID: <950821002038_13689789@eWorld.com> kapilla@ne.com.au (Kapilla) (Top Cat) writes: >Mmmmm Chocolate. Not as good as the "Simpson Moment" when Homer's standing in front of the fridge late at night and says "Mmmmmm Something." Ob Tool: I checked out that issue of "Bikini" magazine. Maynard interviews Rickson Gracie, a martial artist. Looks like Maynard needs to spend some more time in the Dojo - in the photos, Rickson's got him in a real nasty headlock ;) Rachel ------------------------------ Topic No. 4 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 17:37:01 +1000 (EST) From: Alex Lyberopoulos To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: what genre is tool? Message-ID: Poison isn't heavy metal, infact Tool is closer to heavy metal then them. On Mon, 21 Aug 1995 Toolophile@aol.com wrote: > Hi gang, > > jenny said: > > >so! music gurus, how do you describe TOOL to non-TOOL-types > >so they don't mentally assume you also listen to Poison? > > Tough call. I really don't think Tool fits into a category. So, whenever > anyone asks, I tell them jazz. No, seriously, I steal a quote from maynard > and say it's hard rock with vulnerability. or heavy rock. anything so they > realize it's not really heavy metal. closer to zep than poison. > bye, > > todd > ------------------------------ Topic No. 5 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:26:25 +0200 From: static@prometheus.hol.gr (Tassos Nickogiannis) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re:nine Message-ID: <199508211426.QAA12795@prometheus.hol.gr> On Sun, 20 Aug 1995, todd wrote: >Okay, I really disagree. Again, specific genres have rules (blues for >example you typically follow a three chord pattern and only do three chord >turnarounds, I think), but music as a whole does *not* have rules. Now a lot >of you may disagree with me. Not me. Take for example Sonic Youth, who use a different guitar tuning in every song. These guys have broken every rule there is in guitar playing and if you gave them a conventionally tuned guitar they would probably turn it upside down and start playing percussion. I 'm sure that these guys don' t give a shit about the rules of guitar playing because they have created their own. They will never play a rock tune better than, say, David Gilmour, but neither will *he* be able to play any of their stuff properly. When Sonic Youth started out, everyone thought that they were just out of tune. It was way out of any kind of rule back then to take an electric guitar and detune it (at least to the extent that *they* did it). And now, every guitar player drops his E string to low D. Well, what would have happened if those guys had stuck to the rules? Maybe everyone would be still trying to build up their chops and sound like Eric Clapton or something. Leter... T a z ------------------------------ Topic No. 6 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:02:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Walsh James J <3jjw1@qlink.queensu.ca> To: tool-list@Visix.COM Subject: Re: What a joke Message-ID: OK, I read this and nearly had a fit. Come on Mike, think about what you just said. KMFDM and Front 242 are industrial bands. So if ands or buts about it. The term industrial was coined to describe what they do with their music. If you don't like it then fine, but to start calling NIN an industrial band is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. What Trent Reznor does is not even remotely industrial - hell, it is pop music for pete's sake. > What's your definition of industrial? > > To me, NIN is what industrial should be, and groups like KMFDM and Front 242 > just suck. I realize that KMFDM and Front 242 are industrial, and NIN isn't, > but if you're going to use a cool word like "industrial," you might as well > give it to a band (person) that has talent. I will give you one thing - Reznor is good at using synths and that to create music. But if you want to check out something that Reznor did that was in any way cool then check out 1000 Homo DJs. Sorry to rant, but if you feel in any way slighted by this, tough. _____________________________________________________________________________ James Walsh No sun comin' though my window 194 University Ave. #3 Feel like I'm living at the Kinsgton, Ontario bottom of a grave. K7L 3P4 Jimi Hendrix (613)549-4863 3jjw1@qlink.queensu.ca _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Topic No. 7 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:03:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Goyette To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Survey Message-ID: that should do it steve ******************************************* * Steve Goyette * * SGI System Administrator * * University of Missouri * * Campus Computing Special Projects Group * * Phone: 314-882-7600 * * Fax: 314-884-6700 * * Email: ccsteve@showme.missouri.edu * ******************************************* ------------------------------ Topic No. 8 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:09:32 -0700 From: dsheen@Direct.CA (David Sheen) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: What a joke Message-ID: <199508211505.IAA23751@mail.direct.ca> RollinsMan@aol.com scribbled: some statement about "Tabula Rasa". >Kill the weak-minded! Power to the clueless! O.K. ol' wise one, with such a bold statement, surely you can tell me what "Tabula Rasa" means in english? Dave Sheen "Kiss my big, yellow butt!" - Homer J. Simpson ------------------------------ Topic No. 9 Date: 21 Aug 1995 11:18:39 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: tool-list@Visix.COM Subject: Re: Survey Results: Part 2 Message-ID: <9508211514.AA09661@unet.net.com> Reply to: RE>>Survey Results: Part 2 >--->Don't mean to be a whiner Pete, but I'm wondering if you received my >reply to the survey 'cause i didn't see my occupation on this list...if you >didn't, no bother. It's too late now, but I thought I was sure I sent it >and to the right E-Mail address. In any case, the occupation was (and still >is) Customer service representative for Rogers Cablesystems, and I also >volunteer traffic writing at a pair of radio stations in Toronto, Q107/AM >640. Thanks for the survey though... > Bro. Troll I never have received it. Sorry! :( Maybe you misspelled my last name. Most people ask if I'm related to the "muffler guy". No... -Pete Meincke P.S. Did anyone else find that I missed their answers? ------------------------------ Topic No. 10 Date: 21 Aug 1995 11:47:44 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: tool-list@Visix.COM Subject: Re: nine Message-ID: <9508211544.AA10270@unet.net.com> Reply to: RE>nine >Pete said: > - Cornell University > >Actually, it's Cornell College a far better place to go to college, in my >humble opinion, of course. Sorry! You just said "Cornell", so I just assumed. Made an ass outta you and me... :) >>New Ministry album anytime soon? > >Well, the original release date was scheduled for Christmas 94, then pushed >to feb, late feb, march and eventually to "sometime in 95". I heard Ministry's new one would be out in another month or two... >>>hey you know the three biggest lies a cowboy tells? > >1. I won this belt buckle >2. The truck is paid for. >3. No, really, I was just helping the sheep over that fence. Speaking of cowboys: Country music gets a bad rap for being so depressive. I just listen to the songs backwards. It's great! They get their job back, their dog back, their girl back, and their truck fixed! ;) >Pete said: > >>Anyway, get a load of all the various bands we enjoy listening to: > >Man just think if we were allowed to vote for more than three bands! Some people voted for more than three anyway. Bastards! But I ignored them. My survey, my rules. ;) -Pete ------------------------------ Topic No. 11 Date: 21 Aug 1995 11:59:33 U From: "Pete Meincke" To: tool-list@Visix.COM Subject: Re: What a joke Message-ID: <9508211555.AA10515@unet.net.com> Reply to: RE>>What a joke >What Trent Reznor does is not even remotely industrial - hell, it is pop music >for pete's sake. Watch it! I don't take kindly to people mentioning my name and pop music in the same sentence. I've killed for less!! ;) -Pete ------------------------------ Topic No. 12 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 12:31:47 -0700 From: RiotGrrl@eworld.com To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: What a joke Message-ID: <950821123146_13710317@eWorld.com> mshurpik@utrecht.lcs.mit.edu (Michael Shurpik) writes: >I consider NIN industrial because trent uses lots and lots of digital >equipment to create music that sounds like a machine wrote it. >KMFDM's >music sounds like it's coming out of a drum machine. In my HO, that's the point of industrial music - it's 'new music', and is created by machines as opposed to traditional instrument based music. >Given my interest in NIN, I decided to borrow some industrial and >give it a try. I thought it was musically hollow. Every song seemed >to have only one or two "layers," if you will...few things of interest >were going on. Good point, though. Some industrial is a bit hollow, but quite a bit of it is just as rich and textured ( does this read like a cookbook?) as Tool et al. the reason I like industrial is that it doesn't sound like typical music. Just my $.02 Rachel ------------------------------ Topic No. 13 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 14:44:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gayla J. Sterzinger" To: tool-list@Visix.COM Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:nine Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Aug 1995, Tassos Nickogiannis wrote: > On Sun, 20 Aug 1995, todd wrote: > > >Okay, I really disagree. Again, specific genres have rules (blues for > >example you typically follow a three chord pattern and only do three chord > >turnarounds, I think), but music as a whole does *not* have rules. Now a lot > >of you may disagree with me. > > Not me. Take for example Sonic Youth, who use a different guitar tuning in > every song. These guys have broken every rule there is in guitar playing and > if you gave them a conventionally tuned guitar they would probably turn it > upside down and start playing percussion. I 'm sure that these guys don' t > give a shit about the rules of guitar playing because they have created > their own. They will never play a rock tune better than, say, David Gilmour, > but neither will *he* be able to play any of their stuff properly. When > Sonic Youth started out, everyone thought that they were just out of tune. > It was way out of any kind of rule back then to take an electric guitar and > detune it (at least to the extent that *they* did it). And now, every guitar > player drops his E string to low D. Well, what would have happened if those > guys had stuck to the rules? Maybe everyone would be still trying to build > up their chops and sound like Eric Clapton or something. > Leter... > T a z I agree with T a z... Every band plays there own ways and borrows from others.. Look at Filter... They borrow from NIN, Jane's Addiction, and maybe some Helmet... That makes them original... You can't grop music, every piece is different, and that makes the difference. ------------------------------ Topic No. 14 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 13:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Toomey To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: what genre is tool? Message-ID: The next person that mentions Poison on this list will be shot. Bands like Poison, Slaughter, and Winger are Cock Rock bands from the 80's, and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence that Tool is mentioned in (even though i just did it). -Matt ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Matthew Ian Toomey ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Man was born to love- ^ Though often he has sought ^ Like Icarus, to fly too high. ^ And far too lonely than he ought ^ To kiss the sun of east and west ^ And hold the world at his behest- ^ To hold the terrible power ^ To whom only gods are blessed- ^ But me, I am just a MAN." ^ ^ -M. Patton ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Topic No. 15 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 16:17:38 EDT From: Remo Williams To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: i beg to differ Message-ID: Whoa, whataminute... Maynard and Gracie? Fuckin' cool. -Remo ------------------------------ Topic No. 16 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 16:21:11 EDT From: Remo Williams To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: What a joke Message-ID: Clean slate. -Remo ------------------------------ Topic No. 17 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:47:56 EDT From: UXDX70B@prodigy.com (MR CHAD CHRISTENSEN-WOODS) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: re: sponging Message-ID: <013.00164022.UXDX70B@prodigy.com> Well, as for Goerge, he doesn't listen to Tool..he came back from Europe with an Ace of Bass cd and other crap (he said it's good club music). I've met Guilhermae (?) Tamega, watched the Ultimate Fighting Championship with him and got my ass kicked in Street Fighter. Robbie Gall was there too. uh..a whole mess of hawians (don't know there names off-hand) One of my friends rides G. Tamega's old board :) surf is pretty much shit here, newspapers are starting to write stories about how there might not be a swell all summer. oh well, school just started back up, so I'll go drown myself in meaningless words now. Chad ------------------------------ Topic No. 18 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 01:55:35 +0200 From: static@prometheus.hol.gr (Tassos Nickogiannis) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re: nine Message-ID: <199508212355.BAA01441@prometheus.hol.gr> On Sun, 20 Aug 1995, todd wrote: >Michael was talking about the song on the Crow by Pantera. I don't have the >disc with me, but isn't that a cover song? Didn't someone else write it? > Can't remember. Yup. It's a Poison Idea cover. I think it's called "The Badge". Later . . . T a z ------------------------------ Topic No. 19 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 14:55:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gayla J. Sterzinger" To: tool-list@Visix.COM Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: What a joke Message-ID: > OK, I read this and nearly had a fit. Come on Mike, think about what you > just said. KMFDM and Front 242 are industrial bands. So if ands or buts > about it. The term industrial was coined to describe what they do with > their music. If you don't like it then fine, but to start calling > NIN an industrial band is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. What > Trent Reznor does is not even remotely industrial - hell, it is pop music > for pete's sake. > How can you even classify NIN, they sound totally different from every band I have heard. In my opinion they are the best thing that's been with a couple of others including Tool... ------------------------------ Topic No. 20 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 22:03:47 -0400 From: rhoutsch@postoffice.ptd.net (robert houtsch) To: tool-list@visix.com Subject: Re:feeling music Message-ID: <199508220203.WAA13714@ns1.ptd.net> hey'all- I agree. When I first heard Tool, I was just getting into the "metal" genre (I had been a Metallica fan for about a year). I saw the vid for "Sober" and was hooked. Although, my interest toward the video was strictly for the animation, it grew to an appreciation of the music. Later that year, my girlfriend and myself were having a bit of a dipute (fucking bitch!!!) I was listening to the song "Bottom" while driving to school. I got so into the song that i started laughing alomst uncontrolably. I had to pull over to the side and let myself mellow. That song is exactly how I was feeling, and I realized it. In fact, a great deal of the songs on "Undertow" I find I can relate to. So, yes, I know what it feels like to FEEL the music. Not only on a physical, but on a mental one as well. Oh, i'm new here...hi. RMH ------------------------------ End of TOOL-LIST Digest 410 ***************************