Publication: Guitar Magazine
Date: July, 2001
Transcribed by
Anders Melhus (mut0hame@stud.hitos.no)
Anders Melhus (mut0hame@stud.hitos.no)
page: 38 title: Bitchin' UTENSILS author: John Callaghan Furiously democratic and fiendishly experimental, Tool's Justin Chancellor shows John Callaghan the lengths to which a humble rock combo can go to banish the cliché... 'We were joking that for our next album we'd make 15 three- minute pop songs,' quips an amicable Justin Chancellor as he relaxes in his London hotel room. The Tool bassist is well aware of all the journalists' clichés regarding the band: rarely appearing in any of their videos or album covers, granting few interviews or photo shoots and generally treating the promotional treadmill with open disdain. And all this is before you get to the music, which will have even the most skilled of pigeonholers scratching their heads with confusion. The release of Tool's first album in five years, Lateralus, adds to their legacy of challenging every musical boundary under the sun. The follow-up to Aenema is over 75 minutes of head-melting music. Calling it 'progressive hard rock' would be a creditable stab at describing the band, but you'd be missing things like the Arabic dissonance on The Grudge as well as the cornucopia of jazz tonality, fiendish time signature changes and choral harmonies that are just a fraction of the aural experiences that await the listener... oh, yes, Tool are a pretentious music critic's delight. But even if you hate everything the band stand for, you'd be a big fat liar if you didn't give them credit for being several leagues above the legions of leaden rock bands out there. 'Personally, and it goes for the rest of the band as well, I'm always trying to hear things that I've never heard before when it comes to approaching songwriting,' explains Chancellor 'Who wants to be clichéd? We're also very open about just letting an idea breathe and just going wherever it's going to go, rather than just stopping it at a certain point and then using that. 'If you let things go you can stick ideas on top of each other that don't make a lot of sense unless you let it go far enough, and then it has this cycle to it that can be original.' Chancellor goes on to claim that, despite the break between albums, the only pressure that they felt during the making of Lateralus was that which they placed on themselves. 'The idea that people weren't going to like this album was something that we had to be - and still are - prepared for. We just tried to keep our heads down and continue the evolution of ideas, and not notice what was popular and what was current. If we hadn't done that things would have gone horribly wrong. But it's not in any of our nature to worry about being a hugely popular band, and I think the people who have been into the music in the past expect us not to stand still.' Tool are very much a jamming band, with everyone coming in with their own ideas as opposed to finished songs, and then exploring every possibility until it's been well and truly exhausted. And like any true democracy, constantly taking into account everybody's opinion can be a nightmare. Chancellor, the only Englishman in the LA-based quartet, recalls how - when asked by guitarist Adam Jones, drummer Danny Carey and singer Maynard James Keenan to replace Paul D'Amour during the writing of Aenema - he was thrown in at the deep end straight away. 'They picked me because I wrote my own material. I jammed with them for a week as part of the audition,' he explains. 'It was quite daunting because they'd already had a successful record and I'd never been part of one, but I was a full member from the start. I had to pull my weight.' Only when the 'hairs on the back of everyone's neck stand up' is something considered for inclusion. Up to that point, however, Chancellor admits that getting your point of view across is a competitive process. 'You do have to swallow your pride and leave your ego at the door, but when you really believe in something that you've come up with you've got to stick with it. There's never any personal grudges between us, it's just that everyone's constantly got ideas to try out. But when it works it's so rewarding to have created this independent entity that goes beyond the four of us, but we've all had a hand in making.' According to Chancellor, the nature of this musical debate is stemmed from people's differing perceptions; one standard Tool technique is for someone to bring a riff in and have someone else play it on a different instrument. 'And they never play it the way you imagined it. People's sense of internal rhythm and where the downbeats are is often very different. That goes for the arrangements as well, because what is considered to be the climax of the song changes from person to person.' Although Chancellor sees music as a method of emotional storytelling, the mathematical concepts of discipline do play an important role in keeping the lines of communication between the band. 'We're not really schooled in music theory, and we can't read music, but we understand the language and it's useful for making sure that we're all in the same ball park.' His sense of the musical map comes from having taken classical guitar lessons as a child. 'I actually got my first guitar when I was eight. I was living in Germany at the time, and my first lesson was 20 people in the room, with a teacher up at the front showing us these chord shapes. And then all you'd hear is this horrendous racket as 20 people tried to copy him.' In his teens he'd given up the classical lessons when he wanted to be 'loud and annoying'. By 14 Chancellor was a bass player, having been asked by some older friend to fill a vacancy in their band. Although he went back to guitar for a few years later on, the lure of the low-end eventually proved too irresistible. There are plenty of occasions on Lateralus, such as on Schism, where you couldn't tell which parts were the work of Chancellor and which came from Jones. The Tool guitarist's often staccato style meshes beautifully with Chancellor's melodic sensibilities, the ensuing effect being akin to a maelstrom of mid-air sonic collisions (and a multitude of near misses). 'Obviously Adam can go a lot higher than I can, and I can go a lot lower than him, but there's a lot of middle ground that we can share and explore,' testifies Chancellor. 'Adam's got a very unique feel for tone, and the different strengths that he plays various parts... it's a real emotional vibe, the way he plays. Before playing with him, I was a lot more just pumping away as a bass player. He's inspired me to not be scared to be a little more sensitive. People often have a very narrow view of what the bass guitar can do, but there's an unlimited world for the instrument you're playing. And that applies to all instruments.' Jones's influence on Chancellor's bass playing also extends to his use of effects. Although he writes all his parts on an angelically clean acoustic bass, by the time it's recorded it has to run the gauntlet of his pedalboard, which contains a Digitech Bass Whammy and a Sansamp GT2 distortion unit as well as a selection of chorus, delay and flanger gizmos. These go through the full amp artillery of a Mesa/Boogie M2000 and a 400 head, and two cabinets - one coloured with a Rat distortion unit and one completely pure - with the pedalboard going into both of them. You'd think at the heart of all this sonic experimentation would be a bass the size of a coffee table, fitted with pickups invented by NASA and boasting more strings than a harp. On the contrary, Chancellor has plumped for one of the more basic, but still top quality, 4-stringed instruments in the Wal range. 'I did play a bit of fretless bass for the first time on the second section of Lateralus,' he reveals. 'But I'm quite proud of not playing 5-string basses. 'The thing is that when it comes to technology I'm quite slow. I've got a lot of pedals, but I've had them a long time. I concentrate on getting as much out of what I've got, rather than getting new things in all the time. I haven't exhausted all the possibilities of the setup I've got yet: I'm still finding new things which is a real pleasure for me.' Joining Tool meant that Chancellor had to acquire a number of basses as spares and for different tunings, which has lead to an appreciation of the qualities of different woods. His longtime favourite has birdseye maple facings with a mahogany core, although a walnut bass also has a special place in his collection. 'I didn't appreciate before how much the wood a bass is made from affects the tone, just as much as the pickups,' he coos. 'I've got to get a new maple/mahogany one though, because my old one is pretty knackered at the minute.' That's not surprising given what the poor loves have to put up with. During one of their last bouts of touring, the band took to wearing body paint to enhance the visual spectacle of their shows; fair enough, except when it got really hot, the paint oozed off Chancellor and onto the bass, causing the pickups to cut out. 'We weren't too popular with the techs!' he laughs. 'And I don't blame them, having to get paint out of the pickups and apply silicon around all the little cracks...' Even if the techs aren't, Chancellor is bang up for the touring marathon that awaits Tool in the coming year or so and is particularly looking forward to the opportunity to experiment further with the songs. 'There are very few doubled instruments on the album, because we wrote the songs while rehearsing together so we could play what's on the album. But we realise more than ever that the album is a postcard from that time. We leave sections clear in each song so we can jam if we want to, or add new parts that we've thought of since. ‘Like, Adam does this great one note solo with a wah on Lateralus, which Dave Bottrill, our co-producer likened to a water skier going under and over the water,’ he recalls. Now he’s free to change that live, or leave it as it is. And we’re free to react to that or not. It does increase your concentration when you’re trying new things in front of people, but if you lose yourself in it, it makes sense and you can get something magical. And that’s the whole point.’
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