Publication: Australian Guitar
Date: September, 2001
Transcribed by
Anthony (anthonybeatton@Yahoo.com)
Anthony (anthonybeatton@Yahoo.com)
page: 36 title: Tool author: Paul Southwell Tool Publication:Australian Guitar Date: Volume 24 Sometime in late 2001, can't remember Editorial at front- Chris Hoare Having just witnessed a Tool gig at Sydney's Entertainment Centre, it struck me that the band flouted every convention of what makes up a great rock show. Bands tend to go in one of two ways. Either the band likes to go for a "high energy" show, that involves a lot of jumping around by the band- members themselves, which is combined with a minimilistic light show. Shihad is a great example of this option. Then there is the bells and whistles option, where the band can be a little more subdued as the audience's attention is captivated by a dazzling light and/or pyrotechnic show. See Pink Floyd,m Kiss or U2's ZooTV or PopMart tour as examples of this. Tool on the other hand, decided to go a completely different path. There was a barely adequate lighting rig (in fact, singer Maynard Keenan was never lit) and the band members were all but rooted to the spot dueing the entire show. No dynamic energy on display and no impressive lighting rig (although there were a couple of video screen displaying Adam Jones' disturbing imagery behind the band). So why did it work so well? The answer is refreshing in this day and age; it was all about the music. Good musicians playing great music through a really well mixed PA. How rare is that ! For those of you not in Sydney or Melbourne, there are fairly good indications that the band may well return before too long for a proper tour. Don't miss it. FYI- The stuff on the video screen was done by a bunch of people called.... not by Adam Jones. The Actual Article Tool For a band as esoteric as Tool to emerge from LA in 1990 when Motley Crue were at their peak is indicative of how the band has always gone against the grain. On the wave of critical aclaim that their new album Lateralus has created, the cinematic live experience that is Tool found its way down under for a whirlwind tour earlier this year. Paul Southwell spent some time backstage with guitarist Adam Jones and bassist Justin Chancellor. Your sonwriting process, how do you get your riffs happening? Is it purely just jamming, or does someone structure the riff and present it to everyone else? Do you let it all filter down? JC: It;s a bit of a mix. I mean sometimes, maybe in soundchecks or in the rehearsal place you might spontaneously come up with something. But a lot of times we all sort of dabble away at home and bring in individual riffs really and then throw them at each other and start pulling them apart and jamming on them. Yeah, so you don't have any egos going "Shit that's my riff, you bastards took it out." JC: Well, we try and leave it at the door. The creative process, it must be difficult when the music industry want to present this sort of thing, a product. How do you be creative? JD: You just do it and listen to yourself and no one else. I suppose you're going to be touring with it so you've got to be happy with it. JC: Yeah definitely. [to Adam Jones] What's the stage gear that you're using? You've got three amps yeah? One of them is a German Diesel amp. Wht's the story with that, its got four channels? AJ: Yeah, it's a four channel amp, the fourth channel is really hard and crunchy and then each channel going back, it's a little lighter. It's just got that kind of solid-state non-master volume tube amp sound, which is completely, you know, I'm contradicting myself. Yeah, how does that work? AJ: But, you know, that's what I've found in there and that's why I like it. You know, I haven't heard any other amp sound like that and it fills in all of the things the Marshall can't do. But, the Marshall sounds really good so it's just like, taking the spectrum, you know from one to ten. No it's one to twenty, it just fills out the spectrum, a lot more for the highs and lows. So, it's the combination, it's not just the amp it's also the tweaking done to the amps and the kind of cabinets I'm playing through, the kind of guitars I have, that's all based on the sound. You've got a Marshall bass head? AJ: Uh huh. Your music has been described as bass driven- what sort of amps are you using? [to JC] JC: At the moment I'm using a Mesa Boogie, I got their new amo which is called an M-Pulse. I drive that with a Rat and an EQ pedal, just the tiniest bit of distortion and it has a bit of cut, you know? Then the other is being tun through an M2000, one of the older Mesa Boogie amps that has just a real low clean sound. Then I use a Demeter pre-amp as well, which I put the DI through that. So that's pretty much just the sound of the bass,. So there's three channels to play with, again it's just like a mix of the sounds. Do you crank them or on full or do you hold back the pre- amp? JC: They're just sort of where they sound sweet enough so that on the stage I can hear it and get feed-back and stuff. It's not at eleven [with his full British accent...] Yeah [laughs] don't look at it, don't even touch it. Yeah I can recite the whole film, it's a bit sad. JC: We all can. Yeah everyone should be able to. So, with your bass hear, on the song Eulogy [from the album Aenima] you've got the [Digitech] whammy pedal that you're doing that [with]? That's one of the things I think is a signature for Tool in that you've got these interesting sounds. When I first heard it I didn't know what it was; I thought it might have been a noise gate.... there's stuff on the web.... a ridiculous amount of info.... AJ: Info and disinfo. A lot of questions are asked about what you're asking. It's funny what people think in their head versus what it really is. Always, you know [adopts nest trainspotter voice] that's an old vintage Korg synthesiser isn't it? No, it's just Justin on a whammy pedal. [Justin laughs] I guess that's it in that you're there to be creative and you use what you want to create the sounds in your head and translating them to tape. I guess to a certain extent it doesn't matter. For instance [to Adam] you using a bass head. A guitarist might go, 'hey man, why?' But hey, it gets your sound. AJ: Well I thnk that's the most important thing you know, not just listening to one of your heroes and going, 'okay, what kind of amp did Jimi Hendrix play?' Then you go and play it, 'cos you're not going to sound like Jimi Hendrix unless you're in a Jimi Hendrix cover band and you go and you kind of discover what's you and what you like. I don't know, we just kind of experiment, just keep kind of pushing the envelope. How far can you take the instrument, and these pedals or how far can you twist things this way or that. Or bring other musical instruments in while you're playing. But by the same token, if you do all this stuff in the studio then you've got to play it live? AJ: That's, it's not just because that's what we write, you know? I mean, you add a little spice here and there or add something to push things or you maybe double up the guitars, which you can't do live. But usually, it's done by the time we write, or maybe eighty to ninety percent done and we have a couple of songs that were written in the studio. Like, 'Triad', the last song on the album [Lateralus]; that was really fun and, 'Satan's cookies' [Die Eir von Satan' from Aenima] was done [in the studio] and we tried playing it live, and it was great. So you know, it's just a challenge. With Tool, most of the stuff that we play one a record is what we're playing on stage. JC: Yeah, we already can play it live before we go into the studio. That's the layout. How do you look back at albums like Undertow or Opiate compared to now with Lateralus? Do you think that, the depth has obviously increased but it was still pretty huge back then... How was that album accepted given the [musical] climate at the time? I think at the time [of EP Opiate, 1992] it was like Warrant or Motley Crue, that kind of shit, when Undertow was out [1993] is that right? AJ: Ahh... it was probably later than that. I think 'Opiate' was just at the edge of the glam metal kind of, um, [laughs] taking a shit. But, you know, they're just snap shots of the time and kind of where you're at and we've grown as a band and grown a lot closer and gotten to know each other. Especially on a writing and a complimentary music way. But there's still that sort of sound ['93], there's a lot of feedback as intros and at the beginning of stinkfist with the whammy bar. All these different effects, the feedback seems to be prominent as do a lot of unison bends [one note bent to ring with another in sustain] where it's kind of dissonant. What inspires you to play like that? AJ: Well I guess it just depends on the song. like that song ['Stinkfist'] - to me it's like bending something until it breaks [raises hands and snaps imaginery stick] and that's when it starts. That's kind of what it needed, or it felt like at the time. I guess what I'm getting at is that, do you, with Maynard's lyrics, do they, do you take them as inspiring how you are going to play? AJ: The lyrics are pretty much last even though Maynard is there trying stuff. So the music comes first? AJ: Yeah, but then there is fine-tuning. I mean there's definitely things that can stay exactly the same or something can change completely different... the lyrics or... JC: Yeah, once the lyrics are almost there, then I guess the last part of the process is really listening to the thing as a whole and adding a little spice and relating the music to the lyrics and kind of reaching to some of the things he's saying. Like adding little bits of spice and so it doesn't just sort of end with when the lyrics are down. You know, then there's a few more little things to do even live, after the songs are already on the album, you certainly feel something new or react to something you're hearing and just play something slightly different. So you're always working as a unit. It's not like someone does there bit and then... JC: Oh yeah, we're all listening to each other and kind of reacting to each other. Okay, and how does a producer help in the song writing process? JC: He doesn't really help in the song writing so much. AJ: It's more a capturing, you know, what's there and the mics and the room and the position of the amps. I mean there's a little suggesting, you know, 'hey, how about trying this?' But it's rare that it's accepted and I think David's [Bottrill] strength with us is just in the proccess of being so experimental. We've worked with other producers and mixers and kind of always been like, 'well this is how stuff's being mixed now' or 'this is how it's being done now' and Dave's like, 'okay' or 'yeah let's try this' or 'how about this', you know. So in some ways he's really experienced, he's very proffessional, he really knows his shit. But in other ways he's really green, he's not tried it that way bur he's really open to doing that and that's wat I really like about him. He's about our age, he's a really nice guy and it's really important when you're really protective of your music. I think the most important thing of bringing a producer into an art process is a fresh ear, You know, someone who hasn't heard the songs for a year [laughs], jamming them, taking them home, making tapes and being highly analytical about the whole process and the way it flows and just coming in and hearing it fresh. JC: Yeah, that is the thing with him. But he also did a lot of stuff with world music and different weird sounds. He's got this ear when he can listen to our stuff and there's a lot of different sounds going on and he's already thinking about how he can capture them in the studio. Because I wouldn't have a clue personally what mic to use and so on. [to Adam Jones] So you're basically a Gibson man yeah? And you tunings are in dropped D or B? AJ: Uh huh. Yeah, it's mostly dropped D, and we also have drop B, and then we have drop B/E. You'd have to be using pretty heavy strings there? AJ: No I'm just using the strings that are there. I mean if you take an E string and drop it down to D/A it will have a little bit of flop, it sounds kind of evil. When you turn it down to B it's just a lot more of a flop. It's intonated you know but.... JC: I actually use slightly thicker strings on the bass for the drop B/E tuning 'cos it's a real like... AJ: 'Cos he's not as evil. JC: I'm not as evil, and it's like a big kind of strumming riff that we do with that tuning and I was getting the strings smacking against the pickups. AJ: Yeah and I guess you kind of know a chord from a bass. Recording, wouldn’t that create unwanted noise if it’s too floppy? AJ: It’s just the sound you want. What sort of basses are you [to Justin Chancellor] are you using? JC: The Wal basses. AJ: They’re awesome. JC: Yeah, they’re pretty powerful and punchy. How did you get into those? JC: Um, I actually borrowed one at first. I don’t know if you remember a band called Failure from America. Well, they were friends of these guys [Tool] when I joined the band and at the time I had a Musicman Stingray. It was fine when we were practicing but when we went to record, it just didn’t quite cut it. It needed to push out a little stronger and this friend of ours suggested I try his bass player’s Wal. So I went and borrowed it and it sounded perfect. It just really sat with everything else so I ordered one. Over here, a Gibson guitar will cost you five to six grand [for a signature model], which is pretty dear. AJ: For me, it’s just all based on the wood, you know. For me, it’s one piece of wood, and the way you can check is, have a look where the guts are, the electronics. If you open the thing you can usually see if it’s one, if it’s routed out, one piece of wood. I don’t know, it’s just that the newer Gibson’s aren’t very good and I don’t think. I mean, I don’t endorse Gibson at all. Right, you just use it? AJ: The new Les Pauls are, they’re shit. Really? AJ: They’re shit. You know, if you’re going to pay five thousand dollars you might as well go to the States and pay five thousand dollars and buy one from the late fifties or early sixties. Get a gold top sent over? AJ: Exactly. I really like the Gretsch guitars too. The old Gretsch solid-bodies. Amazing sounds. Oh yeah. But, would that be a bit impractical for what you’re doing? AJ: No, no, not at all. It’s just the pick up and how heavy the wood is, the sustain, they’re all different. I have two guitars set up exactly the same from the same year, same make, same pick ups, same strings, same hardware and they sound [pauses] different. Do you reckon that would be soldering or anything like that? AJ: It can be many things. JC: Maybe even just the grain from the wood, you know. AJ: Exactly. One of the guitars that I just have a screw that someone [the ‘81 custom Gibson, metallic green silverburst] screwed in that’s part of the pickguard which I don’t have anymore, but the screw is in there. I don’t want to take the screw out because I’m afraid it will change the sound. That’s how close you get to it you know. You’ve got a good guitar then [JC laughs] AJ: It was amazing ‘cos I wasn’t really that attracted to it when I saw it. I was like, ‘what’s this black and green guitar?’ and I’d been playing all sorts of guitars, trying to find a good one, and when I played that one it was just like ‘holy shit’, this is the one. Yeah, but who cares what it looks like as long as it fells good and sounds good you know, you’re laughing, that’s what you want. AJ: Yeah. So they’re all the stock pickups. AJ: No [when pressed on how they different, Adam Jones refused to divulge the secret of his custom pickups] Active? JC: Mine are active in the bass, yeah. Are yours stock? JC: Yeah I didn’t customise it. Frets, the same deal? JC: Ah, yeah, I got 24 frets on my bass instead of 22. AJ: The frets are the heaviest gauge so they’re custom, it’s not what comes with it and the pickup is hot-wired. What about cabinets, standard Marshall cabs, Celestions, 12 inch? AJ: Oh, the Marshall cabinets, they’re um, G12 Blackbacks. You can get them in a 1960 Vintage cabinet, but it’s funny they make two. They make a 1960 Vintage and then they make one called ‘The Vintage’ and they’re two different speakers. Then the one I really like is just the standard Mesa Boogie cabinet, which has the G12s in them two. Those cabinets are awesome. The sound so good. They’re punchier? AJ: They’re thicker, and they have all the high-end because that comes directly right from the centre of the cone but it’s the lingering sustain. The wood’s different, it’s just a heavier case, and it’s really well built. So you can play ‘em and you can go and take a bite and they’ll still be going….. AJ: Right [laughs]. THE END
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